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So it's my understanding that Florida now requires you to verify your age with a photo ID on all porn sites.  Rather than comply, Pornhub decided to simply block all IP addresses in Florida until an alternative solution can be found.

I can see a bunch of peeps going crazy over this.  

Good.  Let the people get the results they vote for.

Peeps seems such an appropriate description for the effected demographic!  :D ;D

Yet websites that promote tobacco, alcohol, gambling,  violence and weapons at most  only requires the viewer to check a box saying they are of age.

Pornhub blocked Pornhub. They refused to verify users. Their answer it to pull out of those states that try and limit kids access to porn. Their whole argument is defeated by the fact many other sites are already doing it. In fact, most porn sites are still running in Florida.

The funniest argument I saw was an Only Fans model commending Pornhub for standing up to "Big Gov" but finished by saying she was looking forward to more traffic being directed her way on Only Fans.

This irritates me and now I have to sign up for the Victoria's Secret catalog.

I hate nanny-state bullshit.  Let people jerk.

This might be turned over constitutionally, by the way.

Asking to store your driver's license number is a one-way ticket to having your porn searches leaked online.  It's not even whether it might happen.  It will happen and then your kinks are out there forever for all to see -- employers, enemies, etc.  It's an unreasonable ask of a legal activity.

LOL at the VS catalog line


This is a portend of the Christian fascism to come, I said that Harris should have flooded all the porn sites with ads about Project 25 intending to outlaw porn.


Handmaids Tale coming to a country near you!

Wow ... you guys are more dramatic than a bunch of 16 year old girls. HAHAHAHAHA  Porn is still legal and tons of companies are not having issue doing exactly what Pornhub says can't be done and have been doing it for some while.

The issue being discussed is anonymity according to the lawsuits. The Free Speech Coalition, a trade association for the adult entertainment industry, is one of the plaintiffs suing Florida Attorney General Ashley Mood "It creates "a substantial burden on adults who want to access legal sites without fear of surveillance,” said Alison Boden, executive director of Free Speech Coalition, in a statement. “Despite the claims of the proponents, (the law) is not the same as showing an ID at a liquor store. It is invasive and carries significant risk to privacy."

Please be specific, which part?

I don't want my (or anyone's) driver's license that is forever tied to me linked with my porn search history.  Do you think that's an unreasonable request?  For all of you people that don't want the government knowing you have guns or whatever else, do you not feel the double standard?

The difference is, I openly WANT to be able to track people's guns.  I don't want to be able to track people's porn.

I completely agree but I comply with gun laws every year. I have to supply my information whenever I purchase a gun. Most purchases are gun stores or gun shows and all of the purchases are approved and "recorded" by the government. We even have to provide a license when buying ammo.

I understand the fear of people knowing their porn searches but the question is if a persons embarrassment for searching out cuckolding or BBC is more important than protecting kids?

Yes.

It's an unreasonable violation of my rights to "protect" your kids.  ...which doesn't protect them anyway.  These Project 2025 bozos are so full of shit.  They want porn illegal.  They don't give a shit about kids.

Again, it's not a MIGHT happen.  It WILL happen.  Data that is stored is eventually breached and weaponized.  ...whether internally or externally.  If your search history is tied to your driver's license, that will become public information eventually.  It's not a matter of fear.  It's a certainty to occur.

I'm not even some kind of freak worried about myself.  But I can just see this get weaponized and everyone called a pedophile.  It's 100% going to happen if this becomes the standard.

Side story -- I know a gay man who teaches high school.

His username for reddit was discovered and his students tracked down his comment history where he was commenting on legal pictures of of-age men and their dicks...whatever his kink is.  But all of this is legal for him and legal imagery.  These comments were shared publicly on those teacher eval websites.

But this became public and he was smeared and he was called a pedo and a groomer and doxxed publicly and whatever else and it turned his life upside down.  They called for his job.  He didn't face any direct punishment from it (because nothing was illegal), but it was embarrassing for certain and most likely caused him financial damages because it affects your promotions and stuff like that.  Not to mention it just makes his job harder.

This is just gonna be the thing.  People love to kink shame.

The free state of Florida

I know a guy who was trying to open some kind of fusion bakery. His search history just kept saying Asian creampie

I get you guys are really progressive but please stop bringing up Project 2025 like its relevant. It's been debunked so may times I can't count.  It's an ideology of a minority of Republicans and not the elected people's agenda. You sound just as crazy as the extreme MAGA who thinks anyone who disagrees with anything Trump is a RHINO or the Leftist who say dating kids or abortion up to date of delivery should be legal. It's an extreme opinion that kind of makes you sound crazy not capable of being rationale.

I mean.  The people who were in his appointed circle wrote down what they wanted to do and their motivations for doing it in great detail.  Trump might not carry out every little thing but the people who ran the administration literally put out their agenda.  It's not debunked at all.  And it's not like Trump did this shit in Florida.  These are the same Republicans who wrote that manifesto.

And there is a very clear section about what to do with porn and now these actions align with that.  They tell you what they want to do and then you call me crazy when they do it????  Okay, I guess.

I don't even want to get sidetracked about P25.

And this isn't just Republicans.  A bunch of Dems voted for this "think of the children" bullshit without having an understanding of what it means in practice.

I really am fed up with my State.  We've gotten progressively worse here for like 25 years.  There are major issues to address and there is so much money and corruption that I finally realized that it's by design.  These people are just getting rich off of each other.

If you actually believe that this law will actually prevent teens from accessing porn I have some ocean view property to sell in Orlando

While I agree with you I must point out that you're a person who thinks banning guns will stop bad people from getting them. This law will keep most 10 and under and a lot of teens out and currently that isn't happening.

Not that its a surprise but I completely disagree. We are trending towards the Florida I grew up in which has been deteriorating over the last 25 years or so with the arrival of so many outsiders. It's gotten to where no one feels safe in the cities any longer even here in Orlando. That's not a good thing.

^ You're not making sense.

I said it's been getting worse over 25 years.
Then you disagreed and said it's been deteriorating over the last 25 years.


Those mean the same thing.

I’m a pro 2A lefty because we need to protect ourselves from right wingers but there is no comparison between guns and porn, America has a violence problem largely because of guns that European countries don’t have to deal with.

When is the last time there’s been a mass shooting in these countries? What are the overall numbers of incidents compared to the USA over the last 25 years? How many victims of  gun violence a year compared to us?

I live in America and the reality is I want my people to be armed for self defense, and gun control will never happen here so it’s a losing a stance politically, but gun control absolutely works in its goal of preventing gun violence.

With VPNs and other tech these anti porn requirements will not stop kids from viewing it if they want it badly enough, preventing your kids from seeing smut is a parents responsibility anyway. This is clearly just forcing Christian morality on the population.

And Dave is right, it’s not if, it’s when the databases will be compromised not if! Nothing is more of blackmail and extortion material than what makes you horny. Of course it will be targeted relentlessly by hackers and criminal organizations hiring hackers and governments hiring hackers lol

As soon as the database of ID’s reaches a certain number of entries it will be targeted by everyone on the planet who wants to make a buck and has some computer hacking skills and no matter how hard you try to defend it someone will breach.

Terrible ideas, terrible precedent. Call me as dramatic as a 16 year old lol but these next few years gonna be rough bro

IMO this is a violation of HIPPA laws.  Most men only use video porn for masturbation, which is only done for good prostate health; and trying to avoid getting prostate cancer.  So by requesting this information it violates the person's rights to medical privacy.

That is a false statement.  I don't think banning guns will stop bad people from getting them.  I have never supported a blanket ban on guns.  What I do support is banning ghost guns - but that is not because it will prevent their existence but because it will make it easier to confiscate and being the purpose of ghost guns are as a tool for criminal activity making the possession of a ghost a crime allows law enforcement to use having such tools of criminal activity a crime.  Similar with armor piercing bullets.   I support requiring all gun transfers to be registered -- end the gun show loophole. I support attaching criminal and civil liability to gun owners who improperly store their fire arms if the fire arms is subsequently used in a crime.  I support requiring gun owners to be trained in gun safety.   I support greater regulation of guns not their outright ban.

As for protecting children.  What happened to family responsibility?  One of your sides favorite buzz words.  Today parents can easily set up blockers on their browsers preventing the access to these types of sites.  The blockers can be defeated by smart teens, but the same that are going to circumvent this law.

Back in the old days web there were two incidents that happened to friends of mine's kids won't happen today if you simply make sure your web browser is set to safe mode.

The first was a 7 year old who was doing a report on woodland mammals and searched for "beaver picture"  and got results that were confusing.

The second were 10 year olds who received gift cards to a sporting goods store and searched on "Dicks toys" 

I fully support requiring browser defaults to prevent the above problems unless one makes an effort to turn them off. 

Also I want porn to be segmented enough that looking for topless women doesn't accidentally result in seeing a video of bestiality.    But if a 14 year old knows they want to see what fornication looks like and is mature/smart enough to turn off the safe search tools I don't feel it is the governments job to stop that. 

Florida wants to protect kids from seeing of sex but are perfectly okay with kids seeing acts of violence. 

Probably because this works quite well in every other industrialized country.

A gun is a physical product that can only be physically possessed by one person at a time.
Porn is intangible content that can be viewed and shared by millions of people.
One teen that gets his hands on one gun still only has one gun.  The same teen who downloads one porn video can EASILY give a copy of that video to every single one of his friends.  It is not even remotely comparable.

You cannot seriously be so naive as to believe that this law will actually prevent teenagers from accessing porn.  It will always be easier for teens to view porn than it is for them to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes (something they have done easily for longer than any of us have been alive), and it makes no sense to even try to argue otherwise.

Oops sorry. I misread that.

I get some people think politicians and celebs own everything here but unlike other countries the American people actually own this country and guns are how they keep it. It's why it was so important to call it out in the Amendments. If it weren't for guns Americans would have been arrested and put into camps like Austrailians when Covid hit.

Drugs are illegal but we cannot control them and that isn't even debatable. Somehow people use the same logic to pretend it would work differently for guns ... but then again ...  they aren't willing to give up their cars because drunk drivers kill people too.

You literally said banning guns will prevent them from getting them but banning porn will have no effect in the same post. We should make drugs illegal too so they won't get them either. LMAO

Why then has gun control reduced gun violence in every developed country that has it? That is the truth and you can’t argue with it, I’m sure you’ll try but objectively it’s worked in the countries that have it.

But then you get corrupt governments and law enforcement.  In the UK and Australia, if someone makes a nasty comment on X or Facebook, they can be arrested.   And I'm not hardly bullshitting.

The second amendment was put in place to enforce the first.

Not to mention that here in America, the cities that have implemented strict gun control like Chicago and New York have some of the highest rates of gun violence. 

The US has estimated 393 million guns owned by civilians. The number could be even higher.  We aren't a tiny island like England and current situation over there is why. Most countries fit into one of our states and no one wants to be treated like Australians during Covid or the UK right now.  Even if citizens would be dumb enough to turn them in (and that will never happen on a mass scale )you are never getting them off the streets. Like I said we can't stop drugs and now every Tom, Harry and Sally can make them on their own.  

It doesn’t matter if Chicago has gun laws when you can just drive to Gary, Indiana.

Like I said it’s not gonna happen in America but it does work in countries that do it, and yes I know the minor inconveniences of COVID measures broke ya’lls minds.

They were freaking put into camps! That's not a minor inconvenience. 

Didn’t happen lol

LOL ... that isn't even up for debate. It definitely happened.

Sure, let’s see if you doth protest when Trump puts the homeless into camps

I don't even know where that comes  from but any homeless "camp" in the US would be voluntary and they would be free to come and go so it's not even close. People were put into camps and arrested if they broke out in Australia.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/12/nx-s1-5184507/trumps-plan-for-people-struggling-with-mental-illness-addiction-and-homelessness

Uh huh tent cities where the homeless will be disappeared, once he figures he gets away with sending them off on railcars who’s next? Might even be you if you mess up in your worship of Fuhrer!

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100798900

Is this what you’re freaking about in Australia? Lmao come on man!

Regarding guns preventing people from being rounded up and put in camps.  

I would like it noted that the 2A existed on Feb 19, 1942 when executive order 9066 was issued allowing for the rounding up of American citizens and placing them in camps, it had zero effect.    

NRA did not voice any opposition to 9066 however, the NAACP and the NCJW spoke out against it.  

For all the claims that the 2A prevents tyranny, it hasn't.  

No armed band of citizens attempted to stop 9066.
No armed band of citizens stood up to Jim Crow laws or provided protection to AA being targeted during the civil right era.
No band of armed citizen tried to stop Trump from permanently separating children from their parents.

It is quite possible that the only time the 2A has been used in the way the 2A crowd fantasies its use was occurred in NYC on Dec 4, 2024.  

I agree but might add that being armed gave some protection to say the black panthers and farther back historically John Brown certainly tried it.

To play Devil's advocate, the gun owners were on the side of most of these policies. I am a gun owner myself and most of us would only consider arms for things that affect us, not the other guy.

The 2nd Amendment still existed when Americans were literally rounded up and put into camps.

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Not only did the 2nd Amendment do nothing to stop this, had any of these Americans TRIED to use a gun on the jackbooted thugs who came to take them to camps, they and their families would have been slaughtered.

The 2nd Amendment does nothing to protect Americans from the government.  If you don't have political power and you try to use a gun against the government, you and your family will (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing) be (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge_standoff) slaughtered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege).  And if you DO have political power, you don't even need guns to violently take control of the government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack).

Uh, porn is still legal for adults.  So no, trying to prevent minors from accessing porn cannot work when it is freely accessible to adults.  (This is the same way minors easily get alcohol and tobacco!) It's kind of like how a gun ban in Chicago can't work if a lawless Indiana is a 10 minute drive away.

Don't you support the criminalization of street drugs like heroin and crack?   If so, this statement from you is incredibly ironic.

Exactly.  The 2A hasn't been used to prevent tyranny and oppression of "the little guy" but rather to perpetrate it.   

Most Americans supported this is why. It has absolutely nothing to do with most Americans having guns. Not saying it is right but I think we learned from it as we didn't do it again after 9-11. I think it also put people on notice on how easily it could happen again to them. When Americans as a whole don't support the movement of our government they rise up. That's why we are free today and have a constitution protecting it to do it again.

First off most American's don't own guns.  Less than a third of all US adults own a gun.  While guns out number people in the USA only a minority of people actually own a gun.  But many gun owners own an entire arsenal,   

I agree gun ownership had zero to do with the round up during wwii or the change that occurred after 9/11.

But what is ludicrous is the constant implication by the NRA is that gun ownership is what prevents tyranny. As if Bush had issued a similar order to 9066 after 9/11 it would have been the NRA and its members blocking such implantation rather than aiding it. 

It would be the opponents of the NRA fighting such an order in 2001 

Fact is gun ownership hasn't aided the little guy.  It has been used to oppress the little guy. 

Gun ownership isn't about self defense.  It is about dominance over others that you yourself provoke e.g. George Zimmerman

Exactly.  As I said: if you have political power you don't need guns, and if you don't have political power, no amount of guns will help you.

If Trump sends his ICE to Springfield to round up the legal Haitian immigrants and their American children into camps, the "anti-tyranny" 2nd Amendment supporters in this country will get blisters from clapping so hard.  And if any of these immigrants (or their American relatives) try to use guns to stop it, the full force of the federal government will crush them, just like Waco.  Because Americans will always support the right people being rounded up into camps.

I wish I could remember which liberal leader said it but it was something like "if Ukraine residents had all the ARs from the US they would be able to defeat Russia" .... saying it as if we should give up our guns to them but actually was proving why we have guns. I think it was Pelosi but it could have been AOC or even Chuck Schumer.

Probably wasn't an actual liberal leader but a made up meme. 

Ukraine doesn't have a small arms shortage. If shipping them AR15 would have helped them then the US would have shipped them the military version the M16 of which the US Army has a huge stockpile. Ukraine has not requested M16s they have requested F16s.   

Under any real scrutiny your talking points are utter nonsense.  Private ownership of guns has not prevented human rights abuses in the US it has help perpetrate them. 

The 2A might have played a role in the war of 1812, but it has had nothing to do with fending off or preventing an invasion since.  Japan and Germany's failure to invade mainland US in WWII had zero to do with private gun ownership and everything to do with two oceans.  What deterred the USSR during the cold war was nukes not Joe Shmo owning an AR.   

Really?  Then why was a Japanese military leader quoted as saying when asked why Japan didn't invade the mainland U.S. "There would be citizens hiding behind every rock, tree, and blade of grass and all of them would have guns."

1) That is a made up quote:

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

2) Even if it were real, one person said one thing in history.  Who gives a shit?

For the same reason why you claim that it prevents tyranny.  It is part of 2A fantasy. 

What exactly do you envision here?  China goes war to the US.  US nukes don't deter them.  The US Navy and Air Force fail to sink the invasion fleet, the US Army and Marines are unable to prevent the invasion, but then you and your drinking buddy armed with AR15s defeat a Chinese battalion and that makes China decide to retreat?

While it is true that the sheer quantity of guns in civilian hands would make occupying the US more difficult.  But, occupation occurs after invasion.   So your scenario only occurs after the USA loses the war.  And the US is playing the the role of the Iraqis in 2007.

Nope. It was an actual Tweet from one of them although I can't remember who. It was like 3 years ago at the beginning of the invasion. I believe it was before Elon owned it ... but I could be wrong about that part.

Kind of funny you are using a reference that was just revealed to be skewed and consistently leaving out contradictory facts. I'm not saying you're wrong but your source really isn't entirely credible. I've always heard it was a movie quote and not an actual quote. 

Found it.  It was a Canadian MP suggesting sending the illegal weapons seized in Canada including AR15 be sent Ukraine.

If the 2A worked the way gun nuts claim it does, the Confederacy would exist today.

Really? Now the majority of the country supported the confederacy? That's not how it was presented in our history classes. Thanks for the laugh. I'm guessing for you any 2A supporting person thinks them and their buddies can take over the country with their guns.

"The population of the Union was 18.5 million. In the Confederacy, the population was listed as 5.5 million free and 3.5 million enslaved." https://www.nps.gov/civilwar/facts.htm

In fact, outside of slaves, the Union had a about a 9-1 ratio (18.5 million to 2 million) of people. Add in the amount of agriculture, horses, and other supplies and it's a miracle it lasted as long as it did.

I know you want to think the military is going to just start carpet bombing civilians and all but that's not how war works against your own people. Doesn't take a genius to see what's happened between Ukraine-Russia. Besides our military is 2/3rds conservative so like the Civil War ... people would choose sides. Vets are overwhelmingly conservative so there is that too.

The majority of the Confederacy supported the Confederacy!  So if the 2A worked the way you claim, the people of the Confederacy would have used their constitutional right to armed rebellion to continually oppose the Union after the war until the Union eventually gave up and granted the South their freedom.

If 2A worked as claimed.  But instead it was used terrorize former slaves

I wonder if Florida is also going to ban teaching kids about the Apollo 12 mission to the moon.

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You must be looking in a mirror because we fully know we were there. LOL ... your friends must be hoot!