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Jason Taylor is the biggest two-face in sports.  BY FAR the biggest.

If the Dolphins sign T.O., he will change his tune OVERNIGHT, and come out and say how "as long as he can help us win, I like him", just like he bashed Ricky Williams until the minute he re-signed with the team, where he chirped a different song.

So all this "displeasure" talk is total BS from a Dolphins locker room.  The T.O. thing is over, time for teams to start improving upon their horrible WR corps (Atlanta, Jets, Tampa, etc...)

Yup.  

I'll take T.O. in a heartbeat,  Chambers and Owens, one can only dream.  aaahhhh.

yeah, it is a nice thought, Ricky and Ronnie, Chris and TO..........................m mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmm

Take it from someone who has walked down that road...if I never have to cheer for T.O. again, it will be just fine with me. I'm hoping he goes somewhere else. Dallas would be a good fit; it would make cheering against him even more fun.  ;D

I would take him in a heartbeat.  T.O. Chambers, Booker, Welker, and McMichael??  That's enough to give nightmares to an opposing secondary.  I would not, however, trade for him.  I would wait until the Eagles release him, then sign him to a contract with a relatively low base salary ($1 million per year), and HUGE incentives for stats and behavior.  I would also put a clause in the contract that would void it should he have another incident like the ones in Philly.  

I'm going to put it this way...I don't think Miami has enough balls to go around,for T.Owens.

We have Ronnie Brown,Ricky Williams,Chris Chambers,Marty Booker,Randy Mcmicheal.We have to give our backs 20 carries...Unlike Philly,We actually try to run the ball.He didn't want to go to Baltimore,becuse they ran the ball too much.I don't think we could keep him happy.

I would be more accepting of paying more for a younger guy,say like a Reggie Wayne.

Our WR's are a Little older,I wouldn't mind us getting a Pair of younger guy's to grow up with a young QB...IE Marino,Duper,Clayton.

If Martz becomes our offensive coordinator, T.O. will come in a heartbeat.  He knows Martz will throw the ball.  

Let's just rename ourselves the Miami Raiders while we're at it.

Read the article, then read the headline.

See how the damn media spins things?

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Really?  There are plenty of smart guys who can see right through the article.  Here's Bob Flander's opinion on DolphinBlog.com

Chuckle...... There aint no errr "might be interested" going on here. There's full on interest and there aint no doubt in my mind that the Phins and Drew Rosenhaus are in full courtship. If this happens...(and I think the chances have increased dramatically) this will have the effect of a nuclear bomb going off in South Florida.

That's why I want this to happen. I love it when my team headlines the Sporting news and believe me, it will be a headline for a solid couple of days. PLUS---if T.O behaves, the Phins will most certainly jump into the top 10 of elite teams in the NFL.

Double team T.O, there goes Chris... Single team T.O, there goes T.O. Worry about T.O or Chris--there goes Ricky or Ronnie. Worry about all four---there goes McMichael. Now wouldn't that be fun to watch?

Oh but T.O's a cancer! Fuck that. That's the same shit I heard about Ricky and look how that turned out. I believe that you take these kind of chances because ya never know if it will turn out OK unless you try. If the Ricky doubters had their way, the Rickster wouldn't be wearing Aqua and Orange---and wouldn't that be a shame. I say throw all caution out the window and let's go for it.

one way i would cheer for owens if he comes on our team

And thats if Saban confronts him before Preseason and tells him face to face to not pull that crap that he did in Phily.

Can we please better spend our eleventy bajillion dollars?

We don't need this cancer.  I disagree with Bob Flanders - I think Saban was saying "Hell no we don't want him" in the most polite and politically correct way possible.

I disagree.  I think he WANTS T.O.  If he wasn't interested, DON'T SAY A F'ING WORD.  He brought it up, so he's interested.

By the way, Chris Chambers is NOT Terell Owens.  Chris Chambers is Reggie Wayne, Amani Toomer, and etc..  He is a top NFL WR, but not one of the BEST WR's.  He's not a moss, owens, hines ward, torry holt, or marvin harrison, or chad johnson.  Chambers is simply NOT in that tier.  

I think they should trade away Marty Booker and David Boston and throw in a late round pick for Owens.  Wanna make Frerotte look like an all-star?  Sign Owens.

I don't know who Bob Flanders is, but I could not disagree with him more.

Taking on the one troubled player is something you can do when you have an already-elite team that just needs a little more.  See:  Dillon, Corey @ NE.

There is only one thing that will silence the mouth of an idiot like T.O., and that's winning championships.  We haven't even made the playoffs yet... it's a little early to start clearing space for more Lombardi trophies.  Take T.O. on your team and fail to win the Super Bowl, and you will be subjected to an endless media circus generated by him.

Comparing the acquisition of Ricky Williams to a potential acquisition of T.O. is like comparing a thigh cramp to an amputated leg.  Prior to MIA's acquisition of him, Ricky was certainly an eccentric player, but nowhere remotely approaching the radioactive land mine that is T.O.

Even considering Ricky's drug issues and "retirement," when it comes to being a cancer, you can't even put he and T.O. in the same medical textbook.  T.O. has shown that he is perfectly content to make trouble everywhere he goes.  He was a cancer in SF, a cancer in BAL (for the ~one week they had him), and a cancer in PHI.  Ricky's time in NO wasn't even in the same category as any of those stints.

How do you know he brought it up? How do we know he wasn't asked specifically about Owens? We have to realize there are reporters there and they are going to spin things. I'm 100% sure he didn't call a press conference for this statement. This was something he was asked about.

He didn't bring it up, the reporter asked him about it to stir the F-ing pot.  You should know your own kind.

If he isn't interested in TO, then why not just say "I'm not interested".  Why say "it would be worth the hassle" or whatever he said?

You answer that one for me.

Because his agent is Drew Rosenhaus who's also the agent for half of the players on his team, and he probably doesn't want to piss him off.

Also because Saban's blanket statement (and that's basically what it is) since he took the job is, he is interested in anyone who would make the team better. What coach isn't?

I couldn't agree with you more.   Saban, like Jimmy Johnson, will sign a troubled player if he thinks that player will help the team.  Remember that article LeBatard wrote about Johnson going into contract negotiations with the Devil?

And for those who don't know who Bob Flanders is, he's the owner of DolphinBlog.com.  And his piece makes perfect sense.  If we can get a capable QB and Owens, our offense would be among the top 10 next season.  

Maybe not, seeing as we may have a new offensive system.

I should add that I do not believe in any way Owens will be with the Dolphins.

I agree.

How about if we just see: Owens, Terrell @ Philadelphia? Or was 4 straight NFC title games not "already-elite" enough for ya?

Bottom line...unless 99% of T.O.'s next contract is behavioral incentive-based, it won't matter whether the next team is a contender or a cellar-dweller... What T.O. brings to a team cannot be cured with penicillin.

Owens or no Owens, a capable QB can put us in the top 10 on offense next season.

Why would I want that? ...I think that's impossible...I think most Offensive coordinators,want an Accurate QB,Gus has proven,that's not his strong suit...

I think were looking for more than a one year wonder...

Incentive laden contract is fine... however, what happens when he doesn't get the ball... see where I'm going?

I think T.O. will be on his best behavior next season, wherever he lands.  He'll be a model teammate for a year, then revert.  If the Dolphins take a chance on him, on a year to year basis, I won't be terribly upset.  Now, a 4 year deal with a $15 million signing bonus, on the other hand...GAAAAAAKKKK!!!

TO's under contract.  He has a buncha time left on his deal.

TO's also gonna get released in a month.

TO won't sign on with anyone for a short term deal.  TO illustrated how much of a whiny bitch he can be this preseason.  TO should rot in hell and die.

I do not want TO!!!!!

He is a great player but he is a major cancer and we seem to have harmony in our locker room. Even if you did sign him to an incentive laden contract this year what happens when he goes for 1500 yards and 15 TD's? He is going to start screaming that he needs to be paid and he has to feed his starving family because he should be paid like a top playmaker in the league. Sound familiar? No way do we take this chance we would be giving up too much long term in my humble opinion!!!!!

He'll likely be released.  I only advocate giving him a shot if he's released and signed to a token amount ($2 Mil or less.)

He's 33 and considered a cancer.  Depending on what Dallas and maybe Atlanta does, he may have very few options.  This happens all the time; great player has very few options, swallows his ego and plays for a below-market contract.

See also: Boston, David

What's your point?  He was a 4th receiver, who didn't play, and didn't cost us anything.  It's like playing the $1 lottery and losing.   ...so, you didn't hit it big...but who gives a crap, it was just a buck.

Boston didn't work because he wasn't healthy.. not becuase of his attitude.

And under the "it's only a buck" theory, Terrell Owens would work for me.  

As much as I hate TO, and think he's a shmuck....there is a rick/reward there.

A Palpatine said, "If he can be turned, he'd be a powerful ally."

Freudian slip?

Anyway, David Boston is, again, an unfair comparison to T.O.   He's not nearly poisonous enough.  To be honest, short of Kobe Bryant I can't think of any pro player that has the toxicity level of one Mr. Owens.  The guy has bashed his teammates and management in three separate organizations.  He has firmly established that he brings ruin and strife wherever he goes.

Rick/Reward..I hope Rick can help us out.

I am intrigued by TO..  I see mass upside and mass downside.

Search your feelings Dave, you know it to be true.

Why are we even discussing this? There is no way TO comes to Miami. Number 1 he will not go to any team that is not considered an immediate Superbowl contender & my Dolphins I am sorry to say are not at this point a player away yet. Number 2 he will want a superstar QB throwing him the ball & something tells me he does not consider Gus to be a superstar QB. Number 3 he will want all kinds of money thrown his way & even though Miami will have cap room they will not bet the farm on one position with all the needs they still have. Number 4 even though Rosenhaus is a SFL native the last thing Saban is going to do is let a punk agent come into his facility & tell him whats what. This is the guy who shut out the media during mini camp I dont see him letting Drew Rosenschlepp trying to wheel and deal him all of a sudden.  Him saying to the press that he would consider an upgrade at any position is just keeping things on the up & up with the PR he is not stupid. The only organization I see willing to roll the dice with TO is Dallas or maybe the Giants.

 TO could care less about Championships.  TO is about the money that is going into his pocket & the camera time he gets.

 Nothing will shut TO up, because TO cares for no one but himself.

Anyone that actually wants TO on the team only wants him because they actually would not have to deal with him.

He is a horrible teammate.  

Welcome to the board, Dphins4me. As the site's token 49ers fan, I can say that your post contained supreme wisdom...and I hope that Nick feels the same.  ;D

No - what I meant was that David Boston wanted a large salary, way more than he deserved.  He got cut, went out looked for a job elsewhere and when no one would give him what he wanted (likely thanks to his attitude problems and drug issues), we brought him back on the cheap.

That's the only reason I brought him up.

I disagree. While i think he's a cancer and an idiot, and sometime amusing whether you like it or not the guy must care somewhat about helping his team win. He did comeback on a broken leg and risk his career to play in the superbowl. You can't take that away from him. He had a hell of a game too and showed alot of heart.

 Completely disagree.  TO was there for TO, not his team.   He got to say "Look, I came back to play & risk further injury (Which I personally doubt he did) so you need to pay me more money this year"  

  He came back because he was already planning on asking for a new deal in the offseason & playing was a great ploy.  Also TO was not gonna miss is first chance to play in the spot light of a SB.

 If it would have been Marvin Harrison coming back then I agree it was for the team, but TO does nothing that does not benefit TO.  He has proven that.

t.o. can try and look for a long term offer, but the reality is that no team in the nfl is gonna give him that. well, unless rick schlepman is managing some team, but even then i seriously doubt some front office is going to bet their future on a long term contract (> 1 yr) on t.o. given this, t.o. on the phins offense, no matter what the scheme or qb will instantly make this offense very, very scary to face. mix that in with a good draft, and things will get really interesting for this organization next year. i mean your talking about a guy that can literally take over a game by himself. sign him, turn him loose, and i'll bet that you'll see good odds that the phins are contenders in vegas next year.

All in all,

I'd hafta say no to T.O.

Don't get me wrong i completely aknowledge the fact that the man is a gifted Receiver, probably the best in the league, but (even for 1 Season) i think its a big risk.

Very few teams in the NFL play with the level of Team-Work and Unity that is beginning to be a Dolphins Trademark, and thats all thanks to Nick Saban and his staff. I'd hate to see that level of togetherness be tampered with by some egotistical child, and i get the impression that some of the players (McMichael Particularly) have their reservations about him.

Thats what springs to mind primarily, but then im saying, maybe Nick Saban would be able to apply his brilliant player management skills and make T.O a team player? Or are we just being blinded by the fact that a top quality receiver might be available to the Dolphins?

I'm pretty undecided on this, but again given the progress of the Dolphins this year, around a Team-Work philosophy, i'd probably say no.

We're still bickering about this?  ::)