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Rumors of an Aaron Rodgers-like draft slide for USC quarterback Matt Leinart are already being discussed.
The presence of Vince Young, Jay Cutler, and Brodie Croyle accompanied by the fact that Leinart didn't participate in Senior Bowl activities is given as the reasoning. Although it doesn't seem he's as likely as Rodgers may have been to fall, no one saw what happened last year coming, either. Leinart's agents Leigh Steinberg and Chuck Price have apparently been quarrelling, but at his point there's no way he gets past Miami at 16. Jan. 29 - 2:50 pm et

That's from Rotoworld. Yo, Leinart is legit. If he falls to us, it is a blessing from God. The Senior Bowl hype made San Fran pick Alex Smith. Leinart may not be great the first year, but he is a franchise QB and I would rather have him than Jay Cutler. I don't feel comfirtable with guys who get 90% of their hype on the weeks leading to the draft.

I've read the same thing on two other rumor sites. Apparently, Leinart not playing in the Senior bowl could hurt him, and Cutler playing could help him jump up. If Leinart falls down the draft, we need to grab him. If he is still around at #8 or 9 (although i doubt it), we need to trade up and grab him, before someone else does!

Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Coyle

Seems like there are a lot of QB's emerging in the draft now with Whitehurst the latest to join the group after his strong Senior Bowl showing. Sure, we have the 16 pick, but how many teams will draft QB's? Not just that, but how many team's will reach for a Whitehurst or Croyle? The Lions pick 9th and if the Top 3 guys are gone, I don't think they will reach for the last two who should go late first round if not early second.

I agree that he hurt his stock by not playing in the Senior Bowl, but the Scouting Combine in Indy could more than make up for that.

From what I've read, Cuttler was "ineffective" at the senior bowl. Wouldn't playing ineffectively hurt his standing more than not playing at all would hurt Leinart?

This all goes out the window the second the doors open for the combine.

The senior bowl is a small blip on the radar screen

Alex Smith never played in the Senior Bowl because he never stayed in Utah until his senior year. He left as a junior (although he had already graduated school). Don't make much of this as the top QB prospects never play in the Senior Bowl. This is a chance for the fringe guys to showcase. The top guys always wait until the combine.

I cannot imagine him getting past Tennessee at #4, with USC alum Fisher and Lienart's college offensive coordinator in Chow.

Idiotic rumor.  Leinart's not dropping like Rodgers.  No way in JJ's house.

Phillip Rivers is proof that the Senior Bowl CAN improve a players position for the draft.  I was in Mobile that year and one day two Kiper told me Rivers was a 2nd rounder at best.  A day later he has the guy in the first and then moves him up even higher as the week goes by.

Ronnie Brown is proof that missing the Senior Bowl won't kill you if you do well at the Combine.  He skyrocketed in the first round after his 40 time. 

Both events are very important.  Doing well at one of them can really elevate a player.  Croyle and Whitehurst were 4th rounders and now they are being talked about as possible 2nd rounders.

We won't know if Cutler's Senior Bowl performance hurt him or not until the Combine or after the draft.  Most mocks had him going to us at #16 until Kiper said he was going to Detroit at pick #6.  He's the guy that could be the Rodgers of this year.  He may go early and he may go late in the first.  There are a lot of believers on both sides of the debate.

Phish already mentioned the fact that Alex never played in the Senior Bowl...but the two reasons that made SF take Alex were:

* Impressive showing at the Combine. I watched him go through all the drills and even I came away impressed.

* Inability to trade down because of the lack of a marquee #1 pick. Nolan tried...he really did. According to a buddy at the Gate, Nolan almost had a deal set with Minnesota to move down to #7 (Nolan wanted Antrel Rolle) and add a 2nd round pick for the 2006 draft, but the Vikes got cold feet at the end and nixed the deal.

Quotes from PFT Regarding Leinhart....

Said one league insider:  "The agent thing is part of the problem because it shed light on what this guy is all about.  He's not about football.  He's about Hollywood and being L.A.  People really worried about it last year when he was on the 'People Magazine circuit,' clubbing with people in that lifestyle.  He would have slipped last year too, trust me."

 
Said another, "If I had the first choice in the draft it would be Leinart.  I have studied him for three years and he is the best and most prepared QB to come in the league in years.  He is not the athlete that Palmer is but he is a much better quarterback and leader.  He is for more advanced than [Eli] Manning.  People want to take him apart yet all he has done is win 33 games in a row and lose only two games in three years.  He has brought his team back from behind on numerous occasions.  In 2004 he had four new offensive linemen and all his receivers were new, mostly freshmen and sophomores, yet they still went undefeated and won the National Championship.  What else does a guy have to do?  In my opinion the people who take shots are the ones that want him to fall to them.  There is no way he gets past Tennessee."


Said yet another, "He might slide but people would be foolish to let him slide.  The kid's got great poise and instincts.  By the time you develop Vince Young and Jay Cutler, Leinart will have already taken another team to the playoffs.  He's just a lot more advanced mentally and technique-wise.  He may not have the raw upside of the other two but we've seen in our league that you don’t have to have a howitzer -- Brees, Manning, Brady, Hasselbeck -- to be good." 

Wow,that may be a first time I've seen the Name D.Brees,and howitzer in the same sentance.

(He's known to not to have the strongest arm..)

Re read the sentence. It says you don't have to have a howitzer to be good.

oops..... :P

Keep track of PFT's stories with unnamed sources and my money says you will find 90%+ of them to be BS.  They are the only fools saying Leinart will be the next Aaron Rodgers.  It's a pathetic rumor.

I've actually read it on three different rumor sites. In any case, I don't think he will slip anywhere past #4. Hopefully, Saban finds some way to trade up and get him!

Where's the hate coming from?  You're not "Frosty" from Phinzmania are you?  They found 1 guy who said pass on Leinhart and 2 guys who say he's the best thing since Joe Namath.  You think every expert in the known universe agrees that Leinhart will be a HOFers?

90%?  Pure BS.  Show us.  Frosty couldn't do it either.  They're probably 50/50 and openly admit when they were wrong.  They're ahead of the pack on many things.

It's not a news site.  It's a "prediction" site, hence "rumormill".   They hear things.  They pass 'em on.  Only a fool takes any of it as gospel. 

I don't hate the site, it's quite entertaining.  What I hate is that too may suckers believe their crap.   

I am not Frosty, not even close.  If you think I'm wrong, let's bet.  I'll put a lot of money on a bet that Leinart will not fall like Rodgers.  People who take up for pft always want to give the 2 or 3 examples out of thousands where they get a rumor right but they never want to pony up when it comes time for a challenge.  Bet me if you believe them.



50/50?  You show me.  I asked first for a check. I don't need to run the numbers because I have already read their stuff and know 50/50 isn't even close.  Ahead of the pack?  Yeah, if you believe them with no proof.  They are the National Enquirer of the NFL. 



Exactly.  You must be 50% fool  ;) :D.

Here's a couple of examples for you.

1) They started a rumor from "unnamed sources" that Scott Linehan may get fired in the middle of last season.  There was no way to verify this so we will never know -- exactly the way they want it --- but now people are crying because the guy is gone and he moved Miami from last to the 14th ranked offense in the NFL.  I seriously doubt Saban ever considered firing him.  Linehan was an easy target for PFT because he appeared to have made some mistakes. 

2) Here's the best PFT Dolphins rumor of all time ....



ROCK ON PFT!! 

What is it about webmasters from competing sights having issues with PFT?  Is it their connections?  Their amount of unique content? 

What kind of small person starts his own site with almost no unique/exclusive content, uses many of the same links as another site, but bashes the other site?  I'm not sure if that's funny or sad? 

I wonder how often the PFT contributors surf around the web bashing other sites?

Ricky Williams/Ronnie Brown and Hudson Houck had as much, if not more, to do with Miami's offensive improvements. 

Of course the Dolphins are going to say the Lemon trade was a steal - especially when they essentially gave up a 2nd round draft pick for him.  It's exactly the same when JJ said that Larry Shannon was as good as Randy Moss.  James Pruitt got the same type a hype back in '86.  The coaches raved about him so much that Dolphin Digest wondered which Marks brother would be benched.

Why does it bother you that PFT reports the hype.  Is it because of your major disappointment when it doesn't come true? 

PFT is the National Enquirer of football info. That is pretty much a given so it really isn't worth arguing about whether you like them or not. the only thing they are good for is pop-ups. I am curious though ... do you agree with anyone or do you just like the you against the world thing for everything?

While I personally don't have a beef with them, I heard some webmaster were upset because ProFootballTalk that had gotten some additional access to interviews and such, being that it's a tabloid version of other football sites. (not that that's a bad thing)



I'm not sure if you're talking about this site specifically or not, but I believe that most of the main Dolphins fan sites have pretty decent original content...maybe not in-depth insight, but their own little take on stuff, promotions, etc.

Ah ha!  The source of phinatic.com's hate is revealed!   :P

No.  This site is more than links to articles and a forum.  KUDOS!




***there was no edit ... I meant to hit reply! --- CF DolFan  :-[

Have you seen Phinatics.com? Here is a list of some of his posted interviews.


Jeno James | Leonard Henry | James McKnight | Morlon Greenwood | Sage Rosenfels | Sam Madison | Bobby Humphrey | Charlie Rogers | Ricky Williams | Twan Russell | Oronde Gadsden | Dan Marino | Don Shula | Dwight Stephenson | Jason Taylor | Shawn Wooden | Larry Chester | Bob Baumhower | OJ McDuffie | Louis Oliver | Tony Nathan | Mike Kolen | Manny Fernandez | Trent Gamble | Paris Johnson
Todd Perry

This doesn't take into account how many events he has where players (past and current) hook up with the fans.  Attacking him for not being original is like saying the ocean is a big lake. Your talking about a guy who has Ricky's mom on speed dial, has been in his house and plays with his kids.  A guy who has made Jeno James' father available to any fan who wants a personal link to the team.  Doug can introduce you to OJ McDuffie or Jim Jensen or even their parents if you like.  The guy has as many or more south Florida hook-ups than some writers down there. You just aren't even in the same converation.

Now I will get off of Doug's jock because he aint no freaking Saint either... I can assure you.  ;D

This actually could be taken either way depending on who you believe.   Do a search on the Enquirer and see what you come up with.  I suppose it could just be that the Enquirer controls Google, or possibly the entire internet - and just doesn't allow negative stories to go public.  :P

Anyway - back to the real topic... PFT is what it is.  Wise people read it with interest... AND a grain of salt.  They appreciate it knowing that some stories will evolve and others will fiizzle.  Others read it out of context, get duped, and are resentful.  

If any of you could do better you wouldn't be here.

Wow - Doug does all that and still has time to bash other sites?  What would make a big time media mogul worry about swatting flies?  It's like Ted Turner or Rupert Murdoch complaining about a cable access show.

Phinatics.com has plenty of great content.  In addition to all of the stuff CF mentioned, he also has:

- great trips and events each year
- cool t-shirts printed
- Jim Jensen's game comments
- original photography

Enough with the Doug reach-around...

Is all you are going to do come on here and bash other folks?

Yeah - I know it's terrible when people who bash get bashed in return.  I'll try to resist the temptation to respond to petty ravings about 3rd parties in the future - at least until I earn my way onto the "reach around" committee.  :P

Yes ... next thing you know we will be building him a statue or something!  :)



run_to _win has some verbage of RFK but I think RFK was much better at debating. I haven't figured this guy out yet. I think he just likes to stir the pot as well. Surely he doesn't believe some of the things he posts on here. Best to just ignore him.

Yeah, all these guys who dare disagree with the Ubers and stick to their guns just want to stir the pot.  If you're not an Uber or a member of the reach-around gang then you're just filler.

I totally agree there.  I had the pleasure of attending a couple of Doug's events and managed to have a nice  conversation with both coach Saban and Wayne Huizenga, as well as tip a couple of pints back with Crash Jensen. 

The interviews are great.  I appreciate them.  That is unique content from willing participants.  KUDOS! 
 
As far as accuracy goes, information about what happened yesterday, or 30 years ago, should be more precise than predictions of what might happen tomorrow, or what happened behind the scenes yesterday.

On that note, the challenge stands - to everyone.  Use all your knowledge and connections to predict what's going to happen across the entire NFL, or what happened but was kept secret, and let's see how good, or bad, PFT is by comparison. 

Insulting PFT for not being a news site is like insulting phinatics.com for not being a prediction/behind the scenes site.  They are what they are.

phinatics.com is not a competing sight with pft.   My site is a Dolphins fan site not a NFL rumor mill.  I actually love pft because I get a lot of hits from their links page.  I just feel sorry for people that actually believe they are a legitimate news source.  They are no different than you or me starting a website and making up make rumors with "unnamed sources".   Read their stuff.   It cracks me up when they have  teammates allegedly saying their teammates are "pussies", etc.  Give me a break.  Like some player is going to tell some unaccredited site something like that.  The Cleo Lemon thing is hilarious.  And, how hard is to spin that Linehan may get fired after the team blows a game by passing 4 times when you have R&R in the backfield?  Look at the way they wrote it.  It's what fans would say, so they believe it.  I wanted him fired too, so it's tempting to sucker for it, but c'mon.  They just look at what fans think and then spin in to make it look like reality.  It's entertaining, but to act like it's gospel is just plain sad, and people do it.  I know that for a fact.



First of all, I'm not a small person.  I'm 200 pounds and need to be at about 185.

My site has tons of unique and exclusive content and you'd know that if you actually checked it out instead of reading BS at pft.  As a matter of fact, you are here at this site which is much like my site --  A Dolphins fan site with fans interacting.  What same links are you talking about anyway?  The news?  Of course I use the same links on Dolphins news because that's what we are all after --- Dolphins news.  I don't use any of pft's stuff on my site if that's what you are referring to by the way.  As a matter of fact, the funny thing is that most of PFT's rumor mill includes links to other sites where they get their information from.  I like that part of their site because it's informative with a proof source.  What I don't like is when they try to act like they have some inside scoop no one else has and then fans believe it.


They bash ESPN every month by claiming they "steal" stories from them.  Do you even read their site? 



This is irrelevant to the debate.  Scott Linehan was never going to be fired in the middle of the season and PFT claimed he might be.  It was total BS and people believed it anyway.


The Dolphins DIDN'T say it!  PFT said the Dolphins allegedly believe Cleo was the answer.  No source, no names, no nothing.  It was BS like the Linehan story.



It doesn't bother me.  I enjoy reading their comedy.  What bothers me is when people like you use it as a source and believe what they say is factual.   Their site is a rumor mill and it's hilarious if you actually read some of the crap they put out there from "unnamed sources".  It's fun and harmless until fan actually take it seriously.  A lot of their stuff is just news they grab from other sites and that's fine, but they also try to be a news source on their own and they are not legitimate.

Lastly, thanks to CF, Tommy, and Dave for setting the record straight that my site is not just links to other sites or whatever the claim was about phinatics.com.  As far me coming on here just to bash other people, I'm pretty sure this is not the only thread I've been in on and the others were not about me bashing people.   I'm a Dolphins fan and try to get along with all Dolphins fans, but I'm not going to sit here and go along with PFT's crap being fact because it is not.  I've had the same debate on my own site.

As far as the challenge goes, I never claimed to have more knowledge or connections than anyone else to predict what is going to happen in the NFL.  But, PFT does and they are full of sh**.  If you don't believe me, try their site for the next week or so and do the math.  Hopefully you can find material past their dozens of ads.   Why don't we just go with the rumor that started this thread?  When Lienart drops like Aaron Rodgers please let me know so I can become a PFT believer  :o.

Just out of curiosity, and to keep things very clear and in perspective... has anyone in this thread quoted PFT as gospel?  More specifically, have I, anywhere on this message board, quoted PFT as gospel.


I've lurked around your site, and many other Dolphin sites, for some time.  Not everyday - not even every week.   Getting involved in sites becomes very time consuming so I limit myself.   The "unique content" was in reference to predictions about what's going to happen or what happened but wasn't reported on. 


Yes. 


Fair enough.  PFT is very good at providing links when they can.  When they can't, they let you know.  Good examples are the Chris Henry story - they dismissed it initially, and the current story titled, "TOO-STRANGE-TO-BE-PHONY RUMOR COMES OUR WAY."  They're sitting on the story because it's so far out there.


They DO occasionally seem to have inside some scoops but unless there's a source wise people take them with a grain of salt.

Just out of curiosity, are your political leanings to the left?  If so this could be a case of a "right-winger" assuming that most people are smart enough to decide for themselves and a "left-winger" assuming that most people AREN'T smart enough. 


Yes, but they bash on or two people on ESPN ON THEIR OWN SITE.  They don't, to my knowledge, surf to site A to bash site B. 
 

It's not totally irrelevant because you seemed to imply that Scot Linehan was the ONLY reason for the improvement, while I think that with the addition of Ricky Williams/Ronnie Brown and Hudson Houck that even Kippy Brown could have coordinated the offense to a major step in the right direction.

If PFT outright lied then I agree with you.  If PFT's source was the janitor's 3rd cousin's barber then I agree with you.  However, if PFT merely got it wrong and some people were duped then that's their own problem, not PFTs.


Predictions and theories, by definition, can't be factual until they actually occur.  Talking about yesterday is black and white.  If some talks about Jerome Bettis being the MVP of Super Bowl XL - that's black and white.  If someone talks about Ben Roethlisberger possibly being traded straight up for Sam Madison - it's absurd... but it's not quite a lie.  Gullible people will believe it, others won't.


So not one person in the entire organization thinks Cleo Lemon is future starter?  And you know this because you've asked everyone of them?  I can see where trading a "2nd round draft pick" for Lemon might cause some to CYA Jimmy Johnson style.   


In the same article they "quoted" two sources that think Lienhart will be great.  Why aren't you disputing those unnamed sources?

Mind you, I never agreed with or disputed that rumor.  My disagreement was with the "PFT is 90% BS" comment.  You're the one so angry about the assertion so go out on a ledge and tell us when Leinhart will be picked.  Top 5?  Top 10?  How far does he have to fall for the rumor to be correct?

...decide for themselves about money issues.  We better let you decide what's best for their morality.

Right about the money issues.  Dems just want you to give it all to them.

Good point about the morals issue.  We wouldn't want any touchy-feely politically correct "it's okay if you think it's okay" morality going on in here! 

Please upgrade my status to "Morality Uber" but keep me off the "reach around" club for the time being.  Such associations would conflict with my new role.  Hopefully someday I can become drunk with power and overlook the obvious hypocritical aspect.  At that point I'll appropriately change my screen name to "Ted Kennedy".  :P

I think that I've counted six or seven back handed jabs at people on this board that are uber members.  If you are that concerned about becoming one - I'd suggest you take your leave us of.  God forbid you reach 300 posts.  Otherwise - relax. 

I'm not sure why you are so threatened by people that have been around the block on one particular site for a period of time, but I for one am insulted at the notion that we all go along with the crowd;  proverbial sheep being prodded along in the field.  Uber members on this site mean exactly one thing - we been around here long enough to know each other.  It appears, in your world, that makes us "drunk with power?"

The more I read between the lines of your posts, I'm finding your choice of your avatar more and more interesting.  And a little more than a tad hypocritical.

...to add a book note to the previous post, the disappointing thing about this is this:  right up until the insults your arguements really hold my attention.  You make great points, you validate them - and then poof!  Off goes something to completely discredit it all.  Feel free to add me to the "reach around" club if you so wish.  Personally - I'd just like to discuss the Miami Dolphins.  I don't give a rat's ass about other sites, sources, or post count next to names.

Six or seven?  Is that all?  I've obviously been slacking.

If I was threatened by Ubers then wouldn't I be less likely to fight back?

Obviously there are exceptions - Ubers on almost any site I've ever been on get very pissy when you jab back.  They want to take petty shots and are dumbfounded when some newbie has the balls to shoot back.  "How dare you treat me the way I treat you?  Don't you see than I'm an Uber!?!"

Uber is an attitude as much as anything.  They're self-annointed royalty who can do no wrong and are deeply offended when challenged.  If Don Shula came on this site incognito there are people who would take him to task based on his "newbie" status.

Like I said, there are exceptions.

Please, when I reach 300 posts change my designation to the description of your choice.  Asshole, dumbass, ignoramus, eternal newbie - whatever you want, just anything except Uber.

Tell me more about my avatar - it was just cool gif I saw someone using on the NAFL site.

That's very nice of you to say.  I really appreciate the feedback.


Sadly, to me this simply says I'm fitting in.  I usually go out of my way to match tone.  The high road is lonely and not nearly as much fun.


This is a tired joke based on Dave's comment in reply #26 of this thread.


I basically agree. 

Let's start with the avatar.  You'll excuse my geeking out on you, a lot of my faith practices are based in the ancient roots of martial arts.  The yin yang, or Tai-Chi symbol, is from I-Ching.  I-Ching is the foundation of Chinese philosophy. 

In general, the Yin Yang symbol is a Chinese representation of the entire celestial phenomenon. It contains the cycle of Sun, four seasons.

(http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/Images/YY50BG.gif)

The light color area which indicates more sunlight is called Yang (Sun). The dark color area has less sunlight (more moonlight) and is called Yin (Moon). Yang is like man. Yin is like woman. Yang wouldn't grow without Yin. Yin couldn't give birth without Yang. Yin is born (begins) at Summer Solstice and Yang is born (begins) at Winter Solstice. Therefore one little circle Yin is marked on the Summer Solstice position. Another little circle Yang is marked on the Winter Solstice position. These two little circles look like two fish eyes.

Or, basically, what has been redefined by popular culture as "balance."  No dark without light, etc.

So - if you subscribe to this as I do, you might understand why an avatar next to the words "run to win" would not make complete sense.  A pure screen name in that sense would be more along the lines of a combo "special teams, defense, offense, blocking, passing, rushing, tackling..."

Told you.  Excuse the geekdom.  Anyway and onward.

I believe that it's easy to become defensive and assume someone is saying "I have 3,000 posts and you have 16.  You're an idiot."  I don't think you'll find many (if any) people here that will do that.  I'll use myself as an example.  In the "other sports" forum a member called me out and made assumptions about my "tone" in a post.  I accurately told him that judging by his post count he hasn't been around me long enough to judge my tone; it was unfair.  In this modern age of emails and text messages verus face to face meetings and phone conversations - there is too much left to figure out on our own.  My point was simple and stated outright - debate the facts with me all day long and don't take anything I say personally.  But don't make personal judgements on me, you haven't been here long enough to know me.

I don't notice "post count" otherwise.  I don't think this instance of taking notice was a bad thing.  The guys on this board (Brian, Dave, UK, CF, Sunstroke, Philly, Jtex, etc) - these are all good and decent guys.  They'll argue with you, they'll debate until they are blue in the face.  And in real life they are the first ones to offer to buy your dinner for you. 

So - to try to sum this up so it sounds more like me taking up for some of the guys versus a lecture (which it isn't meant to be) - 99.9% of us ignore the post count thing.  We love new members.  I love signing on and seeing screen names I've never seen before.  I guess my long winded point is this:  try not to bring too much of what happens at other message boards here with your experience.  We're a different breed of people here.  We just enjoy each other's company.  We fight, we bicker, we bitch, we call each other out - but it's all light hearted.  So if someone has made you feel as though what you are saying isn't as valid as a "higher member" - my apologies for that person.

That's awesome stuff.  Like I said, it was just a cool graphic I "stole" from someone on another forum.  I had no idea that I was misleading anyone into thinking I was cultured or intelligent.  What if I change my name to "run and play defense to win"?  ;)

"Run_to_win" goes back to the Marino era and has been my forum nickname since early 1999 on the old Miami Dolphins.com forum.  Anyone else have roots there?   I know, I know - the defense failed too but that might have some connection with the lack of running game.  Remember Shula's comments about Sammy Smith when he drafted him?  That's another thread. 

I totally agree with the rest of your post... except that many senior members get really riled up when you respond to them the way they respond to you.  Again, it comes across as "How dare you?!  Don't you realize who I am?!"

I'm certainly not cultured, nor intelligent.  I can throw a mean spinning heal kick, tho.  :)

Now the question is this - do the senior members really pull rank, or could it be a combination of bad experiences and other members attitudes causing that illusion?  Certainly not trying to say your feelings aren't valid in any sense, maybe I'm blinded by friendships and lost sight of how some people act and react here.  I'd like to think most people here just like a good fight.
:)

Run to win, I don't know who you are, but you really need to attend one of Phinatic's events before you start bashing his site.  I guarantee you that once you go, your opinion will totally change.

As usual, PFT supporters spin everything around to confuse the issue anymore.  I'm not going to get into politics here or address any of the other silly responses about this thread.  The bottom line is that PFT's claim that Leinart will drop like Aaron Rodgers is asinine and the proof will be there come April.  As far as my site goes, I know better than anyone what information it provides and I don't visit here to just talk about my site so I'm through with that conversation as well.

I think if you go back and read what any "senior" member has said to you, it will not show any "How dare you?" sentiment.  Quite the contrary. If you'd spend a little less time name calling and such you would see the welcome wagon at your front door. 

There is no "rank" in here as you call it. As a matter of fact, the only time I even hear or see someone's post count is when they post a celebration thread complete with girls and the obligatory Jet's/Bills/Patriots suck comment. Most of the times the post count usually has to be reminded by another member.

We have in here Cowboy, Broncos and even Giants fans that we manage to get along and debate with. Sometimes we even agree. Why and the heck would anyone want to pull rank on a Dolphins fan?

My advice to you is to stay away from personal attacks and get to know everyone before you compare us to other overzealous boards. You might actually meet some nice people.

That's not a Welcome Wagon, I think that's a SWAT team.

But, since I was slacking in my moderatorly duties, welcome to the board, run_to_win


Except for me, of course...I am the very model of a modern major general.  ;)

My trigger finger is getting itchy......







.......ready to run over to that login link and clone run_to_win's ID......








..........nahhhhhhhhh, I can't do it. 

Cripes CF - did you read the post immediately about yours? 


*sigh* One more time.  There are members who are surprised and irritated when responded to with their tone.  Then the grudge, or vendetta, as Spider-Dan so accurately put it starts.  Phin and Spider Dan come to mind.  Again, it's the "How dare you treat me the way I treated you" reaction that I find so humorous, yet petty, infantile, etc, etc, etc.


Again, this comes across as "newbie - watch your mouth and be glad that we even acknowledge you - no matter how rudely."

Good call...I believe you're still on double-secret probation.  ;D

You wouldn't happen to know who posts on Phinatics site under the name of "YoFuggedaboutit," would ya? That dude and I should have a little heart-to-heart about the perils of plagiarism. Can ya dig the syrup on them waffles?  ;)

You're as stubborn as a mule... and almost as smart.

Smart choice.  Responding to your own posts is never good form.

So PFT hears a rumor that Leinhart might slide, they title their report with a question mark "Leinhart to slide....?"

Then they quote one "expert" who says he will, one who says he won't, and one who says he might, but shouldn't.

Where's the problem?  Either you have some financial stake in Leinhart, or you're a petty fool so full of hatred towards another site that you feel you have to twist their words around?  Did you have this amount of passion for Aaron Rodgers last year?

I'd quote the article for you but I doubt you'd lower yourself to actually reading it.  Part of it is already posted on page 1, response #10 of this thread.   That way you can read it without sullying yourself with inferiority of PFT.

Love the mule reference especially coming from an ass.   PFT insults intelligent people and that's why you aren't insulted and take up for it so much. 

Dude,

I don't want to tread the lines of "pulling rank" on you, but you're the only one who looks at those little titles.  In my eyes (and likely most other people's), they're nothing but screen clutter.

I have seen other sites where you're right, new guys are treated like idiots (most notably footballguys.com and fftoday.com - if your member number isn't below 10,000, they don't believe you one bit).  I can assure you, that doesn't take place here.

We all jab each other, regardless of "rank" as you say.  Don't take offense cause you have 256 posts and other people have more.  You seem to have alot of intelligence and insight to offer to the forums.  Keep it going! :)

That said, this topic is so far off, I'm putting the old Master Lock on this puppy.