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Title: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on February 05, 2006, 06:21:15 pm
I was watching the introduction of the Super Bowl MVP's and I noticed they completely skipped over Super Bowl VII MVP Jake Scott.  What made this even more disheartening was the fact that Super Bowl VII was the Dolphins undefeated season.  Unless Jake Scott had a good reason to miss out on this, I think this is a complete insult to the 1972 team and what they accomplished.   Any thoughts??


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: CF DolFan on February 05, 2006, 11:20:18 pm
I was watching the introduction of the Super Bowl MVP's and I noticed they completely skipped over Super Bowl VII MVP Jake Scott.  What made this even more disheartening was the fact that Super Bowl VII was the Dolphins undefeated season.  Unless Jake Scott had a good reason to miss out on this, I think this is a complete insult to the 1972 team and what they accomplished.   Any thoughts??

As i understand it ... he's not big on public events. i don't think he ever does signings or if does it is rare.  I heard Joe Montana wasn't there either but I didn't see that part.

Edited to include this article :

I found this linked from a post on Phinatic's site
Former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana and former Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw have decided to remain home. Bradshaw has told league officials that he wants to be with his family, even though his former team is in Super Bowl XL. Montana apparently was unwilling to come because the price wasn't right.

  According to a source familiar with Montana's situation, the former three-time MVP asked that he be guaranteed $100,000 in appearance money during his time at the Super Bowl. The league could not accommodate that request, so Montana declined to be in attendance.

Former MVP Jake Scott of the Dolphins couldn't make it because he's traveling in Australia. Former Cowboys defensive lineman Harvey Martin, another Super Bowl MVP, died of pancreatic cancer in 2001.

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, a three-time Super Bowl winner and two-time MVP, will perform the pregame coin toss. And former Packers quarterback Bart Starr, whose team won the first two Super Bowls, will deliver the Lombardi Trophy to the winning team


http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/ny-spmvps054614898feb05,0,4885382.story?coll=ny-football-headlines



Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: run_to_win on February 06, 2006, 01:32:38 am
According to a source familiar with Montana's situation, the former three-time MVP asked that he be guaranteed $100,000 in appearance money during his time at the Super Bowl. The league could not accommodate that request, so Montana declined to be in attendance
While we all know to take un-named sources with a grain of salt (right?), if this is true did anyone else just lose a bit of respect for ol' Joe?


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Thundergod on February 06, 2006, 02:03:08 am
While we all know to take un-named sources with a grain of salt (right?), if this is true did anyone else just lose a bit of respect for ol' Joe?

I sure as hell did if it's true.  But not surprising either,  you know the town name "Joe, Montana?"  he's never even been there even after numerous invitations.  I guess it's just me,  but if an entire town changes its name in honor of me,  damn,  I'd at least go (once) out of respect.   :-\


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Frimp on February 06, 2006, 02:04:07 am
That is true. We didnt notice that Montana was missing until later.

But, the MVP of the 17-0 season should have been there.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 06, 2006, 04:40:17 am
What, you mean one of the mighty, high-class 49ers couldn't be bothered to show up?

So apparently, the entrance fee was good enough for Franco Harris, John Elway, and Emmitt Smith... but not Joe Montana?

I guess the meaningless GMC win-a-car promotion (which Simms, Theismann, and Montana competed in... and Montana lost) was more important than joining the other MVPs.

Don't worry, you won't hear any outcry about this on any media outlet.  Montana can do no wrong.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 09:07:36 am
Terry Bradshaw wasn't there, either...


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: CF DolFan on February 06, 2006, 09:42:03 am
Terry Bradshaw wasn't there, either...

Please read before posting!  ;)

Former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana and former Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw have decided to remain home. Bradshaw has told league officials that he wants to be with his family, even though his former team is in Super Bowl XL. Montana apparently was unwilling to come because the price wasn't right.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 09:43:30 am
fine, i can tell where i'm not wanted... ::)


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sunstroke on February 06, 2006, 11:16:00 am
While we all know to take un-named sources with a grain of salt (right?), if this is true did anyone else just lose a bit of respect for ol' Joe?

Nope...I'm not so overly sensitive that Joe failing to show up on my TV would cause me to lose respect for the greatest QB in the history of the game. Joe doesn't owe you or me anything...if he didn't feel like being part of that media promotion, more power to him.




Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on February 06, 2006, 11:30:45 am
Wow it can't be that he is hurting for cash. Kind of shitty if you ask me!!!!!


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: CF DolFan on February 06, 2006, 12:23:54 pm
Nope...I'm not so overly sensitive that Joe failing to show up on my TV would cause me to lose respect for the greatest QB in the history of the game. Joe doesn't owe you or me anything...if he didn't feel like being part of that media promotion, more power to him.

The Super Bowls and the fans made him. If he couldn't get off of his arse to honor both of them then I say F the loser. He was there all week anyway.  Montana isn't that great that he can be an absolute arse and still be adored.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Phishfan on February 06, 2006, 12:53:55 pm
Nope...I'm not so overly sensitive that Joe failing to show up on my TV would cause me to lose respect for the greatest QB in the history of the game. Joe doesn't owe you or me anything...if he didn't feel like being part of that media promotion, more power to him.




I think he is referring to the monetary demands more than him simply not showing up.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sunstroke on February 06, 2006, 01:24:25 pm

I can't believe what I'm reading up here...

First, Joe isn't currently under contract to the fans, or any NFL team, so getting pissed that he didn't show up to make an appearance just seems a bit petty to me.

Second, nobody actually knows the details as to why Joe didn't show up on Sunday, so how can you dog the guy on speculation alone? For all you know, Joe could have been doing something to raise money for one of his MANY charitable causes and didn't feel that the NFL's public relations cause was as important.

Third...Jake Scott and Terry Bradshaw didn't show up either, Jake because he was traveling in Australia and Bradshaw because he just wanted to stay at home. I'd ask why they aren't getting ripped here instead of Joe Montana?

Come on guys...it's been 22 years already. Some of you really need to get over the whole SB XIX spanking that Joe and the Niners delivered to Miami.  It isn't healthy to hold on to that...  ::)




Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 01:44:54 pm
Joe's getting ridiculed because it is reported IN THIS THREAD that he asked for 100-grand (more money than most of us make in a year) just to show his face and BE HONORED before the game.

That's balls.

He'd have been better off just saying "no thanks" and more people would have the same reaction to him as they do to the others...


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: jtex316 on February 06, 2006, 02:15:12 pm
When you're quite possibly the most successful player in NFL history, and when they wanna showcase and present you, you have every right to ask for 100 large.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sunstroke on February 06, 2006, 02:26:04 pm
Joe's getting ridiculed because it is reported IN THIS THREAD that he asked for 100-grand (more money than most of us make in a year) just to show his face and BE HONORED before the game.

That's balls.

He'd have been better off just saying "no thanks" and more people would have the same reaction to him as they do to the others...

Please see item #2 of my last post...how do you know that Joe DIDN'T just say no, and the writer or "unnamed source" just read too much into it?  People are dogging the greatest QB of all time on speculation alone. I could see this from some of our more naive board members, but I thought most on this site were cynical (realistic) enough not to believe everything they read, and to not overreact to what little they actually believe.

Personally, I'd love to believe everything I read that was prefaced by the ever-vague tag "source close to the situation says...," but I've worked closely enough to the sports media world that I know it often translates out to the source saying "I'm guessing that the reason was..."

I'm not ready to dog the guy who won 4 titles for my team on speculation alone...just can't do it.



Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 02:35:34 pm
That's just my point, no one does know, but the only "factual reporting" noted here leans people in that direction.

You're absolutely right, it could be totally different, and this reporter's hatred for Joe Montana twisted the article around, but without any counter-reports, that's what people base their "opinion" on.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sunstroke on February 06, 2006, 02:50:18 pm
You're absolutely right, it could be totally different, and this reporter's hatred for Joe Montana twisted the article around, but without any counter-reports, that's what people base their "opinion" on.

"Channel 49 News reporting...in a rebuttal to malicious reports of Joe Montana spurning the NFL's Super Bowl MVP celebration for monetary reasons, a source even closer to the situation revealed that the reason Joe missed the Super Bowl festivities was that he was rescuing a busload of nuns from certain death after their vehicle was run off the road by an angry Dallas Cowboys fan. Joe suffered minor burns, but was treated and released after he spent several hours visiting several terminally ill children in the hospital's cancer ward. None of the nuns suffered any injuries, due to Montana's heroism.

Now here's Tanya, with your 3-day weather forecast..."





Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: JVides on February 06, 2006, 03:00:09 pm
Quote
"Channel 49 News reporting...in a rebuttal to malicious reports of Joe Montana spurning the NFL's Super Bowl MVP celebration for monetary reasons, a source even closer to the situation revealed that the reason Joe missed the Super Bowl festivities was that he was rescuing a busload of nuns from certain death after their vehicle was run off the road by an angry Dallas Cowboys fan. Joe suffered minor burns, but was treated and released after he spent several hours visiting several terminally ill children in the hospital's cancer ward. None of the nuns suffered any injuries, due to Montana's heroism.

Now here's Tanya, with your 3-day weather forecast..."

Ha.  I didn't care one way or another.  I was thinking that if I were retired from my job, and they asked me to fly in to a conference so I could be honored for 10 minutes and the attend boring after parties, I'd probably say "nah, thanks anyway". 


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Dave Gray on February 06, 2006, 03:50:31 pm
Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw are douchebags.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sunstroke on February 06, 2006, 03:59:39 pm

I just read this line on ESPN...

"Montana, however, told ESPN2's Cold Pizza last week that he wasn't going to be at the game because his son had an important basketball game he wanted to attend."

Guess the report about rescuing the busload of nuns wasn't accurate after all.  ;)




Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 04:15:45 pm
weren't you the one that bashed Philly for citing Cold Pizza as a source last week?

I'm not arguing for or against Joe Montana, I couldn't care less if he was there or not.  I'm just presenting the facts...


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sunstroke on February 06, 2006, 06:22:29 pm
weren't you the one that bashed Philly for citing Cold Pizza as a source last week?

Nope...that would be a different basher. I have no problems with Cold Pizza, as long as I can hit the mute button when Skip Bayless opens his mouth.



Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 06, 2006, 08:24:29 pm
My problem isn't with people not showing up... I have nothing against any player saying, "No thanks."

What I have a problem with is Joe Montana thinking that he deserves a larger appearance fee than Emmitt Smith, John Elway, Franco Harris, and the rest (assuming that report is true).  He is not the most important person in NFL history.

If the report isn't true, then fine.  No problem here.  But if the story reported is accurate, he's a jerk.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Dave Gray on February 06, 2006, 08:26:27 pm
I heard on Maxim Radio today that the players were given: $1000 spending fee, free tickets to the game, hotel and car rental.

Montana said that he would only do it for 100 Grand....10 times that amount.


Ass. Hole.


Little league game my ass.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sylum on February 06, 2006, 08:31:35 pm
If Marino had won a superbowl and won mvp, I think he would not have asked for $100,000.Does everyone still think Montana is so great now? :o


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sunstroke on February 06, 2006, 09:36:05 pm
If Marino had won a superbowl and won mvp, I think he would not have asked for $100,000.Does everyone still think Montana is so great now? :o

Yes...he may have passed on showing up at the Super Bowl for this little NFL public relations dog and pony show, but he showed up for all four Super Bowls his team asked him to show up for.

Go figure...he won all four.

If the 'Phins fans on this board had a QB win 4 titles for your franchise over a 9-year span, I can guarantee you'd cut him a helluva lot more slack than you're cutting Joe here...so bugger off.  >:(





Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: run_to_win on February 07, 2006, 01:57:46 am
Nope...I'm not so overly sensitive that Joe failing to show up on my TV would cause me to lose respect for the greatest QB in the history of the game. Joe doesn't owe you or me anything...if he didn't feel like being part of that media promotion, more power to him.
Without the NFL Joe Montana would be a virtual nobody selling used cars some where in Pennsyvania or Indiana. 


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 07, 2006, 03:05:42 am
If the 'Phins fans on this board had a QB win 4 titles for your franchise over a 9-year span, I can guarantee you'd cut him a helluva lot more slack than you're cutting Joe here...so bugger off.  >:(
Franco Harris won 4 titles for his franchise in a 6-year span.  He still managed to show up for the "paltry" $1000 appearance fee.

Maybe he feels like he owes some small debt to the league that made him... go figure, huh?

Again, my problem isn't with the fact that Montana didn't show up... it's with the fact that he apparently feels that he deserves ten times as much money as, say, Jerry Rice is willing to take.  That is pure, unadulterated greed.

And you know what?  If this were an event for former NFL MVPs (instead of Super Bowl MVPs) and Marino pulled the same sort of classless stunt that Montana did, do you really think that we would be making excuses for Marino?  Do you think that any halfway rational Dolphins fan could say, "It's perfectly OK for Dan Marino to ask for 10 times as much money as Barry Sanders"?

Come on now.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Brian Fein on February 07, 2006, 11:39:24 am
Montana, Bradshaw deny missing ceremony over $$
ESPN.com news services


When the NFL unveiled its MVPs from the previous 39 Super Bowls, only three living members skipped the ceremony.

Former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana and former Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw decided to stay home, while former Dolphins MVP Jake Scott was traveling in Australia.

Montana, the league's only three-time Super Bowl MVP, and Bradshaw reportedly turned down the invitation over money.

Both denied the reports.

In a phone interview with "Quite Frankly" host Stephen A. Smith on Monday night, Montana vehemently denied forgoing the ceremony over money and reiterated that his absence was due to his preference to see his son's basketball game.

Montana told ESPN last week that he wasn't going to attend the Super Bowl because his son had an important basketball game he wanted to attend. Bradshaw, according to the Chronicle, told league officials he wanted to be with his family.

Montana said money was never an issue and that he would not have attended the Super Bowl ceremony even if the appearance fee had been greater than the $100,000 he was reported to have requested.

Former MVPs were given $1,000 for incidental expenses while in Detroit, along with other amenities such as plane tickets, car rental and game tickets.

Sources told each paper that Montana asked for a guarantee of at least $100,000 in appearance money.

When the league balked at Montana's demands, the quarterback declined to be in attendance.

Bradshaw, through a representative, denied the Chronicle's report that there was a dispute over money.

 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2321024&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 07, 2006, 05:21:21 pm
As Steve Czaban said...

What kind of kid's league has a basketball game on a Sunday evening?  On Super Bowl Sunday, even?

Sounds somewhat suspect.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Phishfan on February 07, 2006, 05:25:36 pm
As Steve Czaban said...

What kind of kid's league has a basketball game on a Sunday evening?  On Super Bowl Sunday, even?

Sounds somewhat suspect.

I don't think the game was actually on Sunday. I have read where Montana said his agreement was to stay in Detroit until Friday. That means he could have flown back for a Friday night or Saturday game. If this is the case I wouldn't want to get back on a plane either.


Title: Re: Missing Super Bowl MVP
Post by: Sunstroke on February 07, 2006, 08:12:25 pm
I don't think the game was actually on Sunday. I have read where Montana said his agreement was to stay in Detroit until Friday. That means he could have flown back for a Friday night or Saturday game. If this is the case I wouldn't want to get back on a plane either.

Sir Phishalot...you have got to understand that Spidey is a die-hard, out-of-the-closet 49ers hater. He wears it proudly in his tag and always has. If the topic of conversation involves a former, current or future 49er in any way, shape or form, you can expect he'll put as negative a spin as possible on it.  ;)