Title: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 01:26:05 pm There's way too much serious, racist/political/religious/war crap going o n in these forums.
What have you people done with the REAL TDMMC readers? Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: VidKid on February 06, 2006, 01:32:36 pm I think it's gonna snow in South Florida, cuz i completely agree.
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 01:41:16 pm I think it's gonna snow in South Florida, cuz i completely agree. I think a pig just flew by my office window...Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: BeefStewert on February 06, 2006, 01:58:33 pm There's way too much serious, racist/political/religious/war crap going o n in these forums. What have you people done with the REAL TDMMC readers? Don't forget physics debates as well. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 02:02:12 pm Don't forget physics debates as well. Heh - yeah, I almost forgot.Way too intellectual around here lately. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: BeefStewert on February 06, 2006, 02:06:28 pm I think it is to balance the TDMMC girl competition, ASCII porn, and blowjob stories.
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: jtex316 on February 06, 2006, 02:12:23 pm BS. There are never enough blowjob stories.
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: JVides on February 06, 2006, 02:47:49 pm It's stimulating, in a not in the naughty place kind of way...
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Frimp on February 06, 2006, 03:24:59 pm I enjoy the debate.
Its nothing personal against anyone who may disagree with me. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Dave Gray on February 06, 2006, 03:29:52 pm The debates anger me...because there is no debating. They are bottom of the barrel arguments, where neither side gives.
I am so different than some people on this board. If someone can't see that the American way of life is oppressive to other nations, what can I do? ...what can I say? It's so clear to me. Now, I'd be able to discuss the different options on how to deal with this -- whether we should, etc. ..but it never gets to that point. There is so much blaming, and I just can't take it any more. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: JVides on February 06, 2006, 03:39:10 pm Quote I am so different than some people on this board. If someone can't see that the American way of life is oppressive to other nations, what can I do? ...what can I say? It's so clear to me Whoa, Nellie...unless you've done some serious traveling and experienced what people in other nations live like, you are unqualified to make such statements. I have traveled plenty, and lived among the "opressed", and, um, I'm not qualified to make or refute that statement. I will say, however, that the American way of life includes a Constitution, a Bill of Rights, and other "novelties" that have shaped the way countries changed over the past 200 years. If you want to say that our rampant consumerism - an aspect of American like - is oppressive to other countries, you'd have a better argument. I know the U.S. isn't without sin, but I will never believe it's the world's oppressor... Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Phishfan on February 06, 2006, 03:52:38 pm Dave, I think that is a pretty strong accusation. Do we do some things I don't agree with, yes. Do we do things I agree with, yes. Is our goal to oppress people, no. I'm not sure you can say we are the oppressors as a whole. Their dictators oppress them, their lack of schooling oppresses them, their religous leaders oppress them, and even the people who run the sweatshops oppress them.
Please explain how we oppress them. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 03:57:54 pm wow, you guys even turned my anti-debate thread into a debate.
Strong work. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: JVides on February 06, 2006, 03:59:16 pm Um, it wasn't my fault!! :-[
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Dave Gray on February 06, 2006, 04:40:35 pm I hope you guys don't take offense to this. I'm not talking about anyone specifically.
Yes, I've done quite a bit of traveling, but more than that, I have friends who are a lot more involved than I am. A good friend of mine (who's in National Geographic this month) goes to 3rd world countries more than once a year and comes back with lots of stories about how these people live. Another guy gives pretty much all of his life to go to Nicaragua to help build schools and stuff. I don't mean that we're evil -- I don't think we are. But I think that we contribute to world poverty. When we pay 75 cents an hour for a kid to make Nikes, and then sell them here for 150 bucks a pair, the spread of wealth is very screwed up. It gives one side all the money and power to get things to go their way. More than that, though, it creates a vicious cycle, where the people making Nikes start to depend on that 75 cents an hour to even survive. We're not to blame as individuals, but we are part of a machine that is allowing this kind of stuff to happen. ...we'd have to lose some of our wealth to spread it around the world, but it would make for a better planet. My point is this: If you don't see that this is how things are, that's fine -- but we're never going to be able to communicate and discuss this issue. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Dave Gray on February 06, 2006, 04:47:34 pm I am sick of the political stuff too, but sometimes I just can't help myself.
I have been posting several movie reviews lately, and some poems that I wrote. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: jtex316 on February 06, 2006, 04:49:39 pm Can someone post some more ASCII porn already, please?
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: JVides on February 06, 2006, 05:05:30 pm Quote I don't mean that we're evil -- I don't think we are. But I think that we contribute to world poverty. When we pay 75 cents an hour for a kid to make Nikes, and then sell them here for 150 bucks a pair, the spread of wealth is very screwed up. It gives one side all the money and power to get things to go their way. More than that, though, it creates a vicious cycle, where the people making Nikes start to depend on that 75 cents an hour to even survive. We're not to blame as individuals, but we are part of a machine that is allowing this kind of stuff to happen. ...we'd have to lose some of our wealth to spread it around the world, but it would make for a better planet. OK, on this we agree. This was the substance of my thread earlier today. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Dave Gray on February 06, 2006, 05:07:39 pm Can someone post some more ASCII porn already, please? Here you go: 8====D (|) Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Brian Fein on February 06, 2006, 05:09:20 pm Here you go: NICE!8====D (|) Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: BeefStewert on February 06, 2006, 05:22:40 pm Can someone post some more ASCII porn already, please? http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php/topic,8286.0.html I'm a dumbass. I thought you wanted a pointer to the ASCII porn, not asking for more. Why do you want more by the way? Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: run_to_win on February 07, 2006, 02:41:11 am But I think that we contribute to world poverty. When we pay 75 cents an hour for a kid to make Nikes, and then sell them here for 150 bucks a pair, the spread of wealth is very screwed up. It gives one side all the money and power to get things to go their way. More than that, though, it creates a vicious cycle, where the people making Nikes start to depend on that 75 cents an hour to even survive. I don't have your experience but let me take a crack... Why is the kid forced to work for $.75 an hour? Because there aren't better jobs available. Apparently there are no jobs for his parents, or their job don't pay enough - so the kid must work. If there were plenty of jobs and they all paid considerably more - then NIKE wouldn't have any employees. They'd have to pay more. The market sets the wage. In addition, how much is that $.75 relative to our terms? According to most of the dozens of Mexicans I've discussed this with, the reason they can work up here for peanuts is because the money the send home inflates an average 1000% in relative value. At minimum wage they make $800 or so a month. They keep half and send half home. The half that goes home is the equivalent of $4000. How can they live here off of $400 a month? They put 4-8 amigos in a 2 room apartment. We consider them abjectly poor while they realize it's temporary while they build up a considerable nest egg at home. Just for "fun" calculate how much money is sucked out of our economy each year. 10,000,000 people sending money home x $300 per person per month x 12 months = $36,000,000,000 per year. THIRTY SIX BILLION DOLLARS! Even if you get more conservative (which you all should :P) and use 5,000,000 and $200 - it's still TEN BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. In summary, people overseas take our $.75/hour because that's the best job available. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: MaineDolFan on February 07, 2006, 03:00:06 am Wait a second. People get paid to work??? God fucking damn it all to hell, where is my agent?!?!?!?!?
Sorry. I'm better now. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: SCFinFan on February 07, 2006, 11:33:13 am Hasn't the Fed raised the interest rates lately to curb some of America's rampant consumerism? I heard a baby boomer talking the other day and she was absolutely disgusted with her generation, how materialistic it'd become. I think the next generation might be a little simpler... i hope it will, anyway.
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: JVides on February 07, 2006, 11:53:17 am Quote Hasn't the Fed raised the interest rates lately to curb some of America's rampant consumerism? Nah, the Fed raises and lowers the interest rate to control the money supply. Lower rates increase borrowing and investment, which is needed in slow economic times (increasing the money supply). During better times, interest rates rise to make borrowing mor expensive (decreasing the money supply). The higher interest rates just means the Fed feels the economy is recovering from its crappy state 4 or 5 years ago, which saw some of the lowest interest rates of the past 50 years. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: runtheball on February 07, 2006, 12:50:34 pm The debates anger me...because there is no debating. They are bottom of the barrel arguments, where neither side gives. I am so different than some people on this board. If someone can't see that the American way of life is oppressive to other nations, what can I do? ...what can I say? It's so clear to me. Now, I'd be able to discuss the different options on how to deal with this -- whether we should, etc. ..but it never gets to that point. There is so much blaming, and I just can't take it any more. Chill out dude. If it bothers you, perhaps you should avoid the political forum. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Phishfan on February 07, 2006, 12:54:52 pm Hasn't the Fed raised the interest rates lately to curb some of America's rampant consumerism? I heard a baby boomer talking the other day and she was absolutely disgusted with her generation, how materialistic it'd become. I think the next generation might be a little simpler... i hope it will, anyway. With the craze for things like iPODs these days I don't see that happening. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: bsmooth on February 07, 2006, 01:50:46 pm I don't have your experience but let me take a crack... Why is the kid forced to work for $.75 an hour? Because there aren't better jobs available. Apparently there are no jobs for his parents, or their job don't pay enough - so the kid must work. If there were plenty of jobs and they all paid considerably more - then NIKE wouldn't have any employees. They'd have to pay more. The market sets the wage. In addition, how much is that $.75 relative to our terms? According to most of the dozens of Mexicans I've discussed this with, the reason they can work up here for peanuts is because the money the send home inflates an average 1000% in relative value. At minimum wage they make $800 or so a month. They keep half and send half home. The half that goes home is the equivalent of $4000. How can they live here off of $400 a month? They put 4-8 amigos in a 2 room apartment. We consider them abjectly poor while they realize it's temporary while they build up a considerable nest egg at home. Just for "fun" calculate how much money is sucked out of our economy each year. 10,000,000 people sending money home x $300 per person per month x 12 months = $36,000,000,000 per year. THIRTY SIX BILLION DOLLARS! Even if you get more conservative (which you all should :P) and use 5,000,000 and $200 - it's still TEN BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. In summary, people overseas take our $.75/hour because that's the best job available. Well the so called dozens of Mexicans you have been around have lied to you. They have no intention of staying temporarily. When they disapear, they haven't gone home, they have circulated to another area/followed the harvest. Not only are they proping up their own shithole country by sending money, they are breeding and filling up schools with their children, while we foot the bill for ESL and other classes. I grew up in a rural area, and it was a continous cycle of workers and their kids showing up and then leaving. The kids never got any real education due to the constant uprooting, and when they reappeared, our teachers had to restrucutre the lesson plan to deal with them, which slowed us down. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: ADeadSmitty on February 07, 2006, 01:55:43 pm There's way too much serious, racist/political/religious/war crap going o n in these forums. What have you people done with the REAL TDMMC readers? It's the Off-Topic Forum, and it's the off-season. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: MaineDolFan on February 07, 2006, 02:40:59 pm The problem with the subject of this thread and others is that people don't debate. They take a stand and anyone that doesn't agree with them is an ignorant asshole that needs an education in how the other person thinks...because the other person is always right.
Want proof? Scan the posts. I was doing it myself with JVides and had the wherewithal to see that I was getting too hot under the collar and to just shut up. I'm not immune. It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it in these discussions. Scary stuff. Personally, I'm out. Not going to even bother looking in the threads again. The only thing worse than opinions is not respecting the fact that your own doesn't rule the world. When it comes to these discussions, that is exactly what you get: "here's my opinion, you're welcome to it." Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: ADeadSmitty on February 07, 2006, 02:42:24 pm Eh. People are passionate and excited about this stuff. I think it's good. Better than apathy.
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Phishfan on February 07, 2006, 02:47:56 pm Also the definition of debate includes exactly what everyone has been doing here. Some debates are civil, others are heated arguments. We have chosen topics along very devisive lines. I would rather debate about these topics than what someone's favorite ice cream flavor is. The problem is it seems to get into name calling with some people rather than a discussion about facts.
Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Sunstroke on February 07, 2006, 03:01:09 pm I think it's good. Better than apathy. Nobody here really cares about apathy anyways... Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: JVides on February 07, 2006, 03:09:51 pm Quote Nobody here really cares about apathy anyways... How DARE you say this? I'm a passionate advocate of apathy...eh, never mind. Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: run_to_win on February 07, 2006, 03:12:29 pm Well the so called dozens of Mexicans you have been around have lied to you. They have no intention of staying temporarily. When they disapear, they haven't gone home, they have circulated to another area/followed the harvest. Not only are they proping up their own shithole country by sending money, they are breeding and filling up schools with their children, while we foot the bill for ESL and other classes. Some, not many, do go back. Other than that I agree with you on all points. Â Some, even fewer, work towards citizenship. Â Those are the best workers.The kids never got any real education due to the constant uprooting, and when they reappeared, our teachers had to restrucutre the lesson plan to deal with them, which slowed us down. Absolutely true. Â Public education is a real hot-button issue for me, even more than PFT! Â :P Â Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: Frimp on February 07, 2006, 03:15:34 pm The biggest thing about debating is to know that it is going to get heated. I try my best to not let it get personal. Sometimes I screw up, but most times I'm able to control myself.
Debate is healthy, but we dont need to call names and make it personal. I may strongly disagree with someone, and I'll do my best to let them know why I think they are wrong. But, I usually step back if I see myself getting to the point of getting personal. (I admit I've crossed the line recently) Title: Re: What the hell is going on here? Post by: run_to_win on February 07, 2006, 03:22:20 pm Maybe it's just semantics, but discussion is healthy.
"Debate" reeks of "I'm so right that I don't even have to support my assertions nor answer your requests for clarification. All I have to do is attack your intelligence. All proof you offer to the contrary are just attempts to spin the debate." |