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After all that time, the Raiders hired Art Shell as head coach.

Awful.  He sucks like Jim Haslett sucks.  Terrible move.

This just in:

The Dolphins hired Don Shula as head coach and the Jets hired Bruce Coslett.  This coming mere weeks after the Bills hired Marv Levy...

News at 11.

I have one question for the Raiders that pretty much sums it up....





...Why?

Art Shell was the last coach to get the Raiders to play at a respectable level before John Gruden took over.  I won't count Bill Callahan's Super Bowl run because he was experiencing the "Residual Gruden" effect. 

Why you ask?  My guess is that no other respectable coach would take the job.  Who in their right mind wants to work for Al Davis.

Has Art Shell coached at all since being fired by the Los Angeles Raiders back in 1994?

I believe he was a coordinator for a team or two. His name was also brought up when the ACLU was whining about the lack of black coaches last year.

I think, for this reason, he's been interviewed for 694573773 coaching positions, by Al Davis is the only one that actually considered hiring him.

(again)

Once Whisenhunt and Petrino said "no thanks," Oakland was in some trouble. While this is definitely a last option, panic-mode pick, Shell does give a tie-in to the old school Raiders fans...probably the biggest plus side he offers.

I feel nothing for Oakland's pain...

Really?  Maybe I'm just sick but their pain brings me much joy.  I do feel for some of the "nice guys" like Marques Tuiasopo who were drafted by the team - but not enough to control my laughter at the mounting losses. 

I don't think there's gonna be pain.  I'd hate to say this 'Stroke, knowing you're a Niners fan and all cuz I know the Bay Area rivalry is important.... but I think Art Shell is gonna bring the Raiders back to where they were in the early 90's. 

I agree.  I don't see why everyone has such a bad perception of him.  I was watching ESPN this morning, and they said that he had the same record there that Gruden did.

He continued coaching for a couple  teams as a line coach. He was last with the Falcons.

He didn't have that record with THIS Raiders team...

Tommy, Dave ... Art Shell will not take Oakland to the playoffs this time around. Shell's career 54-38 record at this point with the Raiders will become a sub-.500 career record if Shell keeps this job for 4 years before getting axed.

Mark it down...'cause I'll be gravedigging this one after Shell's Raiders win 6 games or less every season he's back before Al Davis better-deals the guy again.

The thing is, he can get the most out of his players.  I agree in the 90's he had Bo Jackson and that dominating defense, which was much better than this year's team, but he could easily improve the record by 3 or 4 wins. 

Go ahead and gravedig, 'Stroke.  As a matter of fact, let's do a little poop bet.  Art Shell will bring the Raiders to the playoffs at least once before he leaves the team. 

I honestly don't have strong enough feelings about our ugly cousins on the other side of the Bay ro wager anything on it...besides, after the 400 poop bets that everyone made after I resurrected the ancient wager makes me think it was best left in the ground.

I will be gravedigging this thread though...because Shell will flop like a big old flounder this time around. Al Davis has zero patience for HC's who don't win immediately, and Shell will get ousted before he has any real chance to win in the NFL's toughest division.

It's pathetic and wrong that Art Shell hasn't been coaching.  He should have been a lot of teams first choice.  You'll see an immediate improvement with the Raiders.

NFL's toughest division???  I beg to differ.  Last I saw, the AFC East was the toughest all around.  Don't hang it up just because the Bills and Jets finished with sorry records this year. 

Denver, Kansas City and San Diego make the AFC West the toughest conference in the NFL "right now." The Jets suck, the Bills suck and the AFC East is second as far as divisional brutality goes.

Dude...you're nuts.  We had one playoff team.  The Bills sucked, the Jets sucked, the Pats were disappointing, and we overachieved, but missed the playoffs.

I'd actually say that the AFC North was better, too.

CLE/BAL were better than NYJ/BUF.
CIN/PIT were better than MIA/NE.

In fact, if you want to look at total division records:

AFCW 37-29
NFCE 37-30
AFCN 38-31
NFCS 35-33
AFCS 32-34
NFCW 30-37
NFCN 29-36
AFCE 28-36

Maybe we've had a good division in the past, but certainly not this year.

You're talking about only this year though.  I'm talking about the past 8 years.



I agree.  But you've got to look at things over an elongated period of time, not just this year. 

I see, Tommy.

I agree that we were the best division from top to bottom for a few years, there.

It's not even a question any more...the AFC West is the toughest division in football NOW. It was last season and it sure looks like it will be this coming season as well. I can't argue with Spider's pimping the NFC North, and I'd say that "right now," the NFC East is tougher than the AFC East, overall as well.

Over the last 6-7 years, I won't argue with the AFC East being the toughest...but not any more.

What's so bad about that???  Poop bets are what made the end of the season extremely interesting.  There is nothing wrong with several poop bets going on at once.