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Jets are interested in a trade with the Skins for Ramsey.  This would be great IMO because he ain't all that and this would keep them from drafting Cutler.

Lions may be interested in Brees despite the vote of confidence for Harrington.  This would be great too because then Cutler would drop even more.  Well, this is good unless you want 6'0" Brees to be our QB.

I'd love nothing more than to see a domino-effect series of FA QB signings force Cutler down in the draft, but I just don't see him dropping all the way to 16. Not with the way he's handling all his pre-draft prep work. Showing up everywhere, doing anything the coaches ask of him, as well as impressing them with his QB skills. Guys like that usually don't slide too far unless there is a medical red flag attached, and Cutler doesn't have any of those that I know of.

Maybe Saban can find a not-too-expensive deal to bump up 3-4 slots?

Yeah, I think it would take a move up, but the less a move it is the better chance of it happening.  If the Jets and Lions pass on him then Arizona is the biggest risk at taking him.  If they pass, the Dolphins could attempt a trade with Cleveland and grab Cutler at the #12 spot before the Ravens get a shot.  If the Ravens pass he could fall to Miami at #16.  The Ravens want a RB pretty bad.

Judging from the reports I've read, Cutler has done extremely well at the combine so far. Not likely he'll fall much.

Vince Young scored a 6(!!!) on his Wonderlic, removing any hint of controversy from Houston's decision. A few more misteps and we could have a shot at headbutt2.

What's a good score on a wonderlic test?

Without exagerration, a score of 10 would make you almost retarded. The first 5 questions read something like this "If paints costs $.10 a gallon, how much would 6 gallons of paint cost?". Again, that's not an exagerration.

20 is supposedly average. Only 4 current starting QBs got Wonderlic scores below that. None got scores below 14 (J.P. Losman).

So a 6 either means you're a complete moron - or he's such a big star in his own head that he didn't feel a need to prepare or even do much when the time came.

FYI, the Wonderlic test consists of 50 questions that you get 12 minutes to answer. As for Edgecrusher's example, that's actually harder than the first questions on the real test (I saw one a couple of years ago). They get harder, of course, but the real bitch is the time limit. With less than 15 seconds per question, the best tactic for most people is to just skip a question if the wording doesn't make it completely clear, instantly, what they're asking (as always, test questions can sometimes be a bit convoluted).

I don't believe it's possible to score a 6 without being, litterally, retarded. (Or having never had any education, which clearly isn't the same - for college athletes, however...)

I have heard this a few times on NFL Radio today, although they now said there was a possible scoring error. Wouldn't it be funny if after they correct the scoring error, his score was actually lower? HAHAHA

Also, heres some sample questions from ESPN.com:

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

I scored a 37 on the Wonderlic the one time I took it. 



That wouldn't be good for you.  If the Jets don't take D'Brick, he's all for the Niners.   

How far will Marcus Vick fall until someone is willing to take a chance with him? I haven't watched much college ball, so I'm wondering how good the guy is? From what I've seen of him, I really wouldn't be too worried about his off-field problems. He's been stupid, no question there, but much of it (everything that was proven) has been pretty low-grade stuff. Typical college stuff. Not smart for an NFL prospect, but not too serious either.

Of course, if he doesn't have the on-field skills...

man if vince is that stupid I'd hate to see little mexicos score

You call pulling a gun on teenagers low-grade, you call his fondness of underage girls low-grade? Wow.

yeah FYO, he pulled a gun on some peeps.  i don't blame him for the underage girls....he was like 19 or so, and they were liek 15 or 16.....theres really nothing wrong with that these days...

Why is this in the Dolphins Discussion?  Talk about the Jets, Redskins, and so on goes in the Around the NFL.

The initial post talks about how the QB movement could affect our QB situation.

He did not learn a lesson from it though. I have insider knowledge (from VA Tech) that Marcus could still be seen around campus (and even reportedly at high school campuses) with girls of questionable age. I agree that typically a 19 year old with a 15 year old can be a not so big deal. But in this situation I think it was. Would you want your 15 year old daughter hanging out with college football players (Marcus was not the only one involved) with the resources of Michael Vicks' brother?

what about Omar Jacobs?  Scouts say his supposed "awkward" throwing motion is much improved in the combine.

He still has a low release point, but it definitely looks like something he's been consciously working on. I like Omar, just on physical skills alone. He's tall (6'4"), has a strong arm and enough mobility to move around the pocket (not much of a scrambler though). My questions on Omar have to do more with:

Mechanics: Can he continue to elevate his release point? Nothing negates a tall QB's height advantage more than a low release point. Passes get knocked down at the line a lot unless you get the release up there.

Experience: Hasn't played against top competition at the college level, and the few good defenses he faced did a decent job of containing him. He also wasn't in a passing system that threw the ball downfield very much, Bowling Green ran more of the WCO dink and dunk short routes.

Injuries: Hurt his shoulder late in the season (same one he hurt in his sophomore season) but came back from the injury to post two good performances down the stretch. The fact that he had multiple injuries to his throwing shoulder is a concern though.

I would love for the Jets to get Ramsey.  How legit is this info?

The fact that the Jets are talking about Ramsey is totally legit. Whether that pans out into a deal to send Ramsey to Suckville (New York) or not is another story.

Let's just wait and see what happens with the gun issue. Elements of the case stink and I think there's a decent chance nothing of the sort happened. One of the guys he supposedly waved the gun at has since been arrested for grand theft and possession with intent to sell (those were two seperate arrests). Police searched his home and car within hours of the event and found no evidence of a gun. Yet everyone seems to just automatically believe he did it.

That particular incident is such a far cry from what M.Vick has otherwise been accused of / done, that I don't think it makes sense to base any sense of guilt on those previous incidents. Would people have been as quick to believe the story had it been a clean-cut player, with no previous brushes with the law, accused of waving a gun at a drug dealer and his posse.

He's ACCUSED of pulling a gun.  He claims he was holding a cell phone.  The mistake is not unheard of.  It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. 

I heard one expert say that he'll go in the 6th or 7th round.... or to Denver in the 3rd.  :P

Now that he's projected as a late 2nd day pick?  No way!  Before the trouble, hell yeah!  Do you realize how much millionaires are expected to pay in child-support?   >:D

I thought the exact same thing! :)

The gun-matter should, at least from a legal standpoint, be settled by the time of the draft. Providing he's not actually found guilty, I wouldn't mind using our third rounder on him... (bring on the flack)

I seriously doubt that D'Brickashaw will drop to #6 (I like the sound of that better than #7) under any scenario, based solely on the value that most franchises place on monster left tackles.

I think the possibility exists for Cutler to slide down out of the top-10, if the FAs fall right and other first round prospects impress those top-10 pick GMs between now and April. I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell of Saban getting Cutler without trading up into the #9-12 pick area though.

I don't think he makes it past Oakland at #7.

I think that Oakland slipping to #7 on the coin flip could actually have an effect on Miami's chances to get Cutler. Here are a couple of scenarios I see for the #5-#7 slots, based off the two most likely picks for GB at #5 (assuming front four goes Bush-Leinart-Young-Ferguson in some order):

Scenario #1: #5 GB takes DE Mario Williams, #6 SF takes CB Jimmy Williams, Oakland takes LB A.J. Hawk

I believe this is the most likely scenario at this point, given the fact that both Williams and Hawk impressed about equally at the combine for their respective positions (though Hawk did all drills/tests, while Mario skipped some), and GB really needs that pass rusher on the end. SF, despite Hawk still being on the board, has 4 players they want to come out of round one with: Both elite DBs (Huff being the other), Mario Williams and TE Vernon Davis*. If they can't get a team to trade up from the 9-12 area (where I expect both elite DBs and Davis to be off the board by), I think they'll stick and stay with Jimmy Williams. Oakland would be in heaven, because they do really need a LB, and Hawk has that attitude that Al Davis likes. Art Shell will like him too. This pops Cutler out of the top-7, but with Buffalo, Arizona, Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore still between #7 and Miami, Saban will still have to find a deal to move up. If he doesn't call the SF front office at some point just to stick a toe in the water, I'd be surprised.

Scenario #2: GB takes A.J. Hawk, SF takes Mario Williams, Oakland takes...Cutler?

If Mario Williams is still available at #6, I think Nolan will have a major decision on his hands. DE and DB are equally SF's two most pressing needs, but despite his affection for Jimmy Williams, I don't think he'd be able to pass on Mario. If neither Hawk or Mario are there for the Raiders, they could go 3 or 4 different directions (Cutler, J-Williams, Ngata?). QB is nowhere near Oakland's biggest need (defense, defense and more defense), but since when has that stopped Al Davis from reaching for a player he likes?

It's a long way to April though...I'm going to go light an aqua and orange candle now in the sincere hope that most of the Buf-AZ-Det-Cle-Balt-Oak crowd gets jiggy with the FA QBs out there and eliminate a lot of Cutler's potential suitors.  ;D

why?!?!!!! Someone explain this to me, please


Dolphins Players Trying To Recruit McNair...
Posted on: 2006-02-28
Steve McNair [Miami Herald] Several Dolphins players have either talked or plan to talk to Tennessee quarterback Steve McNair about possibly playing in Miami if he is released by the Titans this offseason.

The latest was receiver Chris Chambers who saw McNair when both played for the AFC in the Pro Bowl this month.

''I talked to McNair, and the subject of him coming down here came up,'' Chambers said. ``I saw him there, and he looked strong, and he looked healthy, and he said he wanted to play a couple of more years. So I told him to think about coming to town.''

Chambers didn't need work too hard to sell McNair on the idea of playing for Miami.

''All he said was he loves the weather down here,'' Chambers said. ``He said that was already on his mind.'

I agree with you Pred. If we were talking about McNair from 5 years ago, that'd be fine with me. But he is past his prime now. I'd rather stick with the old guy we already have, who at least is comfortable with the team and the playbook, and draft a young guy.

I think McNair would be an upgrade over headbutt and since he is CLEARLY not a long-term solution, there's no risk of getting "stuck" with him for many years.

On other words, just the kind of veteran we're looking for to start ahead of our rookie(s).

No way in hell do I want Injury prone McNair. I would rather stick with Headbutt than take McNair!!!! I have never liked him and the thought just makes my skin crawl. I am having Ray Lucas flashbacks again!!!!!

Ray Lucas wasn't injury prone and had a pretty good arm so I'm not seeing the comparison...

You're 100% correct......I was not trying to compare the two as player....more the situation. The thought of having Lucas here made my skin crawl when they first started talking about it. Then they signed him......I was having flashbacks to this exact scenario a few seasons back!!!!! Sorry for the confusion!  ;)

Actually, Ray Lucas did get banged up when he played for us.  Just look at the Ring of Dishonor to see how he totally fucked up our 2002 season.  I'm not gonna comment any further because I still tend to go nuclear about that one. 

If Miami can get a good QB they will be a good team.

Good analogy Pats.  Bobflanders and I have been reiterating the same thing over and over.  With this year's team, if the Dolphins get good play from their QB position, they can beat anybody. 

Thank God for Pats2006, Tommy, and dolphinblog!  I had no idea how much a real QB would help this team  :o.   What insight!

There were times last season when Gus or Sage looked like a real QB.  That's when we kicked ass.   I'll never forget Sage racking up 272 passing yards against Buffalo in the 4th quarter. 

To be fair to our QBs, Gus showed real improvement and was playing at an acceptable level by the year's end.  We did win our last 6, after all.  Right now, we have a management style QB, and improvement will only come through a playmaker.

Some talent to help Hauck with the O-line wouldn't hurt either. It's amazing what he's accomplished with basically the same useless hacks as we had in 2004, but some real talent would help the O-line take (another) huge step forward, helping our running game and quarterback. This would be especially important if we actually draft a quarterback and expect him to start anytime soon. No easier way to destroy a promising young quarterback than to throw him behind a crappy line. Just ask the Texans.