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I would be kind of interested to bring him I and have Saban coach him. I always felt that he was a victim of circumstances rather that a bad QB. I would love to see how he does in a well run and coached team.

I think that Harrington is just another bum.  The guy has had five years at this point.

I am going to have to agree. This kid has a bunch of talented quality young receivers and he could do nothing with them. Harrington in my opinion is a bust!!!!!

Watch him sign with some QB needy teem (Tennessee, Oakland?) and eventually revive his career.

At this point I don't want any of the FA QB's to back up Culpepper.  I think we should draft one in the fourth or fifth round, seeing as there are so many quality QB's coming out this year.  If I had to get one FA QB though, I would take Aaron Brooks, even though I don't think its a good idea to have two scramblers.  I'd rather see a pocket passer backup.

Aaron Brooks = Deer in headlights.

Ever watch him scamble and them scan the field?

Harrington, while he sucks, would make a fantastic backup.

Yup.  I feel the same way.  Four years is usually enough, but we're talking about the friggin lions.  But maybe the thing to do is indeed to get him as a back up and play him preseason some just to see.  According to wikipedia, Harrington was actually voted the number one offensive player for the lions, had better qb rating than did jeff garcia, and Dan Marino himself has said of Joey Harrington that he doesn't have the team around him and that he might be ok somewhere else.  I just don't see a passer who got heisman votes as a bum.  But who knows, I wouldn't stake my life savings of negative 20 dollars on his future success.

Right now, our best bets for a backup are either Tommy Maddox or Brian Griese.   Both are capable QB's that have had starting experience. 

Griese has proven that he's a starter in this league. Damn you for considering him a backup.  :D

The Heiman is a kiss of death to a QB usually. There have been QBs that won, much less got votes, who turned out to be NFL bums.

Harrington will probably be looking for a full time starter job. 

Two words to back up Phish:
Eric and Crouch

Tommy Frazier !

Josh Heupel

I was pointing out a Heisman winner that was a bum.

I just thought we were naming Heisman candidate bums.  My bad.

Chris Weinke
Gino Toretta
Danny Weurffel
Rashaan Salaam
Ty Detmer

im more then happy to write about heisman loser let just not get crazy and ever include Gino he's still the man

word to that brutha

     You can't talk about Hesiman busts without metioning Oklahoma QB Jason White and University of Houston QB Andre Ware.

Jim Plunkett, Danny Wuerffel and Gino Toretta

what do you think is the chances that we will be able to sign this guy or get him on our team somehow

Well he's visting Wed. so medium probably.

Ryan "Spike the ball on 4th down to stop the clock" Leaf.  ;D

Didn't win the Heisman.

Plunkett had a good career and was the winning QB in a super bowl. Wuerffel and Toretta, great college players both, never had the arm strength for the NFL and never amounted to much as pros. But Plunkett was a solid NFL player.

Should have - was the most valuable player to his team in the nation his junior year.

1937 Clint Frank Yale QB Sr. 524
1938 Davey O'Brien TCU QB Sr. 519
1943 Angelo Bertelli Notre Dame QB Sr. 648
1944 Les Horvath Ohio State QB Sr. 412
1947 John Lujack Notre Dame QB Sr. 742
1956 Paul Hornung Notre Dame QB Sr. 1,066
1962 Terry Baker Oregon State QB Sr. 707
1963 Roger Staubach Navy QB Jr. 1,860
1964 John Huarte Notre Dame QB Sr. 1,026
1966 Steve Spurrier Florida QB Sr. 1,679
1967 Gary Beban UCLA QB Sr. 1,968
1970 Jim Plunkett Stanford QB Sr. 2,229
1971 Pat Sullivan Auburn QB Sr. 1,597
1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB Sr. 2,240 ?
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB Sr. 2,213
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB Jr. 1,073
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB Jr. 1,482
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB Sr. 1,400
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB Sr. 2,310
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB Sr. 1,363
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB Sr. 1,628
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB Sr. 770
2002 Carson Palmer USC QB Sr. 1,328
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB Jr. 1,481
2004 Matt Leinart USC QB Jr. 1,325 ?

  Who are these talented WR?  Roy Williams?  Ok,  Charles Rogers? He missed his first 2 years with injuries & year 3 had a suspension in it.. Mike Williams was a rookie last year who had not played football in almost 2 years.

Also remember it usually takes WR 3 years before they are up to NFL speed.

So while Detriot has drafted 3 WR in the top ten the last few years.  Only Roy Williams looks to be worthy, while Mike Williams is still just getting up to speed.  Rogers looks to pretty much be a bust. 

By the way,  he could some day end up in Miami since he played for Saban at Michigan St.

Just because a player is a great college QB, does not mean his game is worthy of the NFL.   

College ball & Pro are different.  You will never a QB run the option in the NFL, however in college they do it all the time.  Couch & Frazier were great college QBs.

Those guys were not bums.  They were just not professional style QB.  They ran the option.

Ware is correct.  He was a top pick of the draft.  However, White was either a 7th Rd or FA.   Does not make him a bum.

Seems to me several posters are getting confused as to what the Heisman is.  Its for the best college player.  Not who is going to be the best NFL prospect.

Two different games those two are.  Jason White was a great college QB. However, poor arm strength was a killer for him at the pro level.

Count me as contrarian, but I'd be happy to see Joey Harrington as our backup QB. He struggled in Detroit, but he has an NFL caliber arm and game experience. Unless by some miracle Vince Young falls to #16, who are we going to get any better to play backup? Kerry Collins is hardly the answer. If the cap hit is managable, I'd be happy to have him on the bench backing up Daunte.

David Woodley and Ricky Turner come to mind.   ;)

Since Ricky Turner name does not strike up a memory I cannot comment on him, but Woodley did not run the option as a offense in the NFL & his career was very short lived.   

For clarification:   My comment was saying you will not see a QB who ran the option in college also find the same success doing so in the NFL.    He will have to change his game & so far it has not happened.

So what if they are great college QBs? My post was made in relation to a statement that a QB receiving Heisman votes could not be considered a bum.

= NFL bum

Guess we have a different opinion on when it is appropriate to use the word "Bum"

I do not knock a player simply because his game is more geared towards college style ball..

I agree with whomever said you it is inaccurate for someone who won the Heisman to be called a bum.

Winning the Heisman is not a bearing on how they will do as an NFL Qb or if they have the talent to be an NFL QB.  Gino Torreta did not have the talent to be a NFL QB.  Neither did a few others, but they were still solid college QBs.

He was making that referral while we were talking about his NFL career, so your statements about separating the two are not on point with our conversation. I don't care who was a good college QB. We are discussing the NFL quality of these guys and they are NFL bums.

Turner ran the goal line veer option for the Colts for a season or two in the 80's.  True, the Dolphins did not run an option offense, but Woodley did indeed run the option on rare occasions during his short career in Miami.

Agreed. 

The Bears had Kordell Stewart run the option a handful of times a few years ago in the Dick Jauron days.

Word is, the Bills are shopping Losman around. They've apparently decided that Favre's backup, Craig Nall, is likely to win the starting spot, with Holcomb backing him up.

Losman and Harrington rank about the same in my book, although Losman arguable has more upside since he's only been in the league 2 years to Harrington's 4. If you compare their second seasons, they did about the same. Although it should be mentioned that Harrington was the starter his first season, whereas Losman came in off the bench 4 times (no starts).

Losman missed most of his rookie season with a broken ankle so last year was he first real chance at action.

Harringoton >>>>>> Losman

Holcomb >>>>>>>>> Nall as well.  The Bills are idiots. ::)

i have the feeling that if we get harrington, he is going to do well, surrounded by so much talent. it can't be possible (can it?) that an athlete who did so well in college could bomb so badly in the pros. didn't they run a pro offense in oregon? wasn't he the leader of the team? there must be something there.

i know it happens a lot, but many times the qb who does well in college had a great system (like spurrier or the texas tech guy profiled in the nyt mag), or a wishbone, or a um team that kicked ass (torreta, etc.), right?

detroit just seems to me like a real poison team, horrible and toxic. this guy needs a fresh start. away from jackass matt millen.

that is my prediction. it will probably blow up in my face, but let's hope it doesn't!

I'm on the other side of it: I think that Harrington is probably a bum, but might be okay as a backup.  I think that guys don't really get reformed.  Occasionally, they'll slip under the radar, but I don't remember many QBs playing crappy for many years, only to turn it around with another team.  I could be wrong...do any come to memory?

Rich Gannon and Steve Beurlein.  Revitalized themselves big time late in their careers.

Steve Young.   No one better themselves more with better coaching than he did.

Actually, he could've been VERY good to begin with.  We just never saw it due to all the time he spent carrying Joe Montana's clipboard.    I remember at the end of the 1987 season, the Niners were on the short end of an upset blowout to the Vikings in the playoffs, and midway through the 3rd quarter, Coach Walsh pulled a real shocker by taking out Montana and putting in Young.  Young actually made it a game. 

I think he is referring to his time in Tampa, not his time behind Montana.

Brett Favre was no star until the 94 season ... but he wasnt thrown to the wolves immediately as Harrington was, and lets be honest the Lions have not been worth a shit since Barry Sanders left. I think given a change of scenery, good coach and team situation he could become a good qb ... not saying great, but at least a 3k yarder with an above avg qb rating. I don't care if we get him or not, as long as he ain't too expensive or prevents us from getting someone to groom. Hell we would be fools to get a high draft QB now, because by the time he gets to play he would be a FA ... unless Dante blows ass.

Steve Young is a good answer....he was on an outright bad team, though.  The Bucs were horrible, and Steve Young's play was a result of that, not a cause.  On the other hand, Detroit has done nothing but give Harrington receivers.  He has some of the most hyped guys to catch the ball.

Favre doesn't count -- he was a backup elsewhere -- not a suckwad starter...as were most of the other guys named, I think.

true they have drafted receivers #1 three years in a row. but we all know that just qb - wr is not enough. first of all if the coach is a moron that doesn't help. not that he was, but def millen is a total retard. can't help thinking that trickles down.

then of course you need a solid OL, a running game helps, we know the drill. i just get the feeling that harrington got a raw raw deal. qbs are like flowers, they need patience and sunlight to grow    : )