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Kumerow played several years.  Fletcher is still in the league.  While both disappointments, they're the "stars" of this list.

Sammie Smith reminds me of Ryan Leaf.  Both had all the talent to succeed, just not the mental strength.

I still don't understand all the playa hatin on Yatil Green.  The guy was injured.  It's not like he was lazy.  It's not like he quit one year like one player in our history did.  It's not like he played and never lived up to his talent.  He tore his ACL twice.  Career over.   Chalk it up as bad luck.

I don't think anyone is "playa hatin'" Yatil cause of lack of talent, but because he never contributed to the team (for whatever reason)

When you stick someone in the Ring of Dishonor, that sounds pretty personal. IMO, you don't deserve a spot there if your failure to produce was solely due to bad luck (injury).

I still don't understand all the playa hatin on Yatil Green.  The guy was injured.  It's not like he was lazy.  It's not like he quit one year like one player in our history did.  It's not like he played and never lived up to his talent.  He tore his ACL twice.  Career over.   Chalk it up as bad luck.

Not necessarily.  He's there because he was drafted to be our WR of the future.  He caused the team a long-term handicap due to his consistent injuries.  We passed on a lot of good WR talent (including Randy Moss) in drafts due to his presence, and when his presence netted the team zero gain, he becomes a ROD inductee.

Yatil had nothing to do with the Moss draft.  Avery was drafted during the Moss draft.  JJ traded down instead of seeing who was available and missed out on Moss or Vonnie Holliday.

Yatil was picked in the middle of the first round, not the top.  And, the team desperately needed a WR. 

I don't agree with the definition of draft bust applying to people who get hurt.  Technically, they are a bust because they don't do anything, so I see why it applies, but I don't hold a grudge against a kid who gets his ACL torn. 

Ryan Leaf wasn't a bust because of injury.  I don't think Yatil and Leaf are even close in comparison.  The situations are completely different and Leaf is forever going to be an ass because of his antics.  Yatil is just a guy who got hurt and never got to play.  He's not even near the top IMO compared to guys like Avery and Fletcher who had plenty of playing time but just flat out sucked.

I guess you could say John Offerdahl, Bob Baumhower, and Dwight Stephenson were busts too because they never maximzed their potential because injuries cut their careers short  ;).

I don't think Yatil and Leaf are even close in comparison.

We passed on a lot of good WR talent (including Randy Moss) in drafts due to his presence, and when his presence netted the team zero gain, he becomes a ROD inductee.

Miami passed on Moss?  When did this happen?

I still don't understand all the playa hatin on Yatil Green.  The guy was injured.  It's not like he was lazy.  It's not like he quit one year like one player in our history did.  It's not like he played and never lived up to his talent.  He tore his ACL twice.  Career over.   Chalk it up as bad luck.

The 1998 draft.  Jimmy had the 19th overall pick and traded down with Green Bay to the 29th pick.  Green Bay selected Vonnie Holliday with that pick, and with the 20th pick, the Vikings selected Randy Moss.

Jimmy then drafted John Avery with the 29th pick. 

Because the question is the worst draft pick. I can see you defending the guy if the question was the worst talented player drafted. The question is the worst pick though. Considering the time he spent on the field (even compared with the other guys) I do not see how you can defend the pick itself.

Doesn't passing on a player actually mean the team had the chance to draft him? 

JJ traded down prior to the start of the draft.   That is not passing on Moss.

Welcome to the boards Dolarltexas.  When you get a chance, please tell us about yourself in the Off Topic forum.

There are quite a bit of players that are deserving of this award.  I'll name a few that aren't in the Ring of Dishonor:

Eric Kumerow
Jackie Shipp
Billy Milner
John Avery
Eddie Moore
Jamar Fletcher

I'm trying to figure out how Yatil is worse than Jim Grabowski ( '66 ) or Mike Kadish ( '72 ).

Both No. 1 picks, neither ever played a down for Miami. Seems to me if Yatil played one down then he produced more than those guys.

JJ traded down when they were on the clock, not pre-draft.  They coulda used the pick to grab Moss.  They traded down.  I remember it vividly...

At least with guys that never play a down, you can cut your losses and move on.  Yatil limped along for years, not only costing us cap space and a roster spot, but kept us from going after another Wide Receiver for years.

JJ traded down when they were on the clock, not pre-draft.  They coulda used the pick to grab Moss.  They traded down.  I remember it vividly...

I'm trying to figure out how Yatil is worse than Jim Grabowski ( '66 ) or Mike Kadish ( '72 ).

Both No. 1 picks, neither ever played a down for Miami.  Seems to me if Yatil played one down then he produced more than those guys.

Or for that matter.  What about David Overstreet?

Signed with the Montreal Alouettes, then came to Miami to only play one year before dying in a car wreck.  If you are going to hold it against Green for his ACL tearing, then you have to hold it against Overstreet for dying.

For Info. There were only two players drafted in Rd. 1 after Green that ever did anything worthy of being a No. 1 pick..  Tarik Glenn ( 19th pick ) & Trevor Pryce ( 28th Pick )

Good you brought them up then. FYI, I never said anything about Green being the worst pick so no need to call me out on something I never said. I was only explaining why Green's pick would qualify in this discussion.

I'm looking for information to support your claim regarding the trade happening pre-draft, because I am certain it did not.

This is all I can find thus far.

I doubt you will find anything about when.

I'm not trying to be an arse, but I'm 100% positive about this.  I've argured this point just about since the '98 draft.   I was ticked when I heard the news on ESPN at about it, because rumors were going around that Moss could drop & I thought there was a chance for Miami to grab him.

I also remember watching the rest of the first round, thinking that John Avery could be the next big thing... ::)

Hate to tell you, but you remember wrong, very wrong. 

JJ traded down before the draft ever started.  That is why he tried to cover his arse with the comment about Shannon being bigger, faster & having better numbers than Moss

Do you all remember the WR we grabbed that year in the 2nd or 3rd round that Johnson repeatedly tried to spin was going to be just as good, if not better, than Moss?  I think his name was Larry Shannon out of East Carolina.   He supposedly could run faster & jump higher than Moss.  I don't believe he ever played in a game.  I think maybe he tore his ACL a time or two in camp.

Offerdahl was so bad that that he was the Defensive Rookie of the Year and made the Pro-Bowl 5 out of 8 seasons. You really cannot look at sack stats for a linebacker who was not assigned to blitz much. That like saying Dan Marino didn't have receptions.

John Offerdahl!!!
That son-of-a-gun was so injury prone it was right down pitiful & disgusting!! He played 8 seasons with the Dolphins, but stayed consistently injured all the time. In 1992, opening the season against Cleveland, he made a sack of Bernie Kosar and the stat came up which reads: "9th sack of 7 year NFL career!!! 9 sacks in 7 years!!! Come on!!! Then he retired after the '93 season due to a separated shoulder!! Seems like every year he was getting hurt and not in the line-up. So if injuries are part of the reason for a lot of the bad play or inconsistencies, or a draft bust, I think he should be considered for the Ring as injury prone as he was!!

Thank You, Keith Lambert :-[