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Title: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Brian Fein on June 22, 2006, 09:18:09 am By Brad Hostetter on June 22, 2006 01:12 AM
Somebody has to go in order to thin the ranks of Miami Dolphins ' receiving corps. Probably a couple of guys will be dropped. I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make that difficult decision regarding whom to drop, not that I'd mind the kind of salary that comes with it. We all know that Chris Chambers and Marty Booker are the top two receivers, so there's no need to analyze those two. But where do we go from there? Wes Welker, Derek Hagan, Marcus Vick, Kelly Campbell, Frank Murphy, and Devin Aromashodu all deserve strong consideration, but there isn't enough room for them all. Welker has performed admirably in his time with the club, but Vick and Aromashodu could be knocking at the door in that department. Murphy impressed in minicamp, and Campbell had his moments in Minnesota while Daunte Culpepper was at the helm. With a logjam like this, what's a personnel guy to do? Here's how it will probably shake out. The team spent a high draft pick on Hagan, and he's expected to be a clutch first-down maker in the future. He stays. Welker has had good but unspectacular numbers as a returner so far. He increased his value last year by racking up over 400 yards and is probably the most polished receiver of the possible return men. He's not going anywhere. Miami got Vick for next to nothing, and he could be a big steal or a bust. He's going to be around for at least a year or two until the Dolphins can find out. Better that than cutting him and having it come back to haunt the team. Campbell and Murphy will most likely fight it out for the final spot. Aromashodu should be the most worried of any Dolphins receiver. He's big and fast, and he had a terrific season at Auburn. No, wait--those are his career numbers. Aromashodu is also one of the seventh-rounders. They can't all make it. http://www.miamifootball365.com/articles/miami-dolphins/2006/miami-dolphins-receivers220606.html Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Denver_Bronco on June 22, 2006, 09:19:35 am Wasn't that Hagan guy the Qb at Virginia last year ?
Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Brian Fein on June 22, 2006, 09:21:34 am Wasn't that Hagan guy the Qb at Virginia last year ? No.http://virginiasports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hagans_marques00.html Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Denver_Bronco on June 22, 2006, 09:41:16 am I don't see how Kelly Campbell does not make the team. He is pretty good.
Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Brian Fein on June 22, 2006, 09:44:33 am I kinda agree with you, I can't see them letting Campbell go. But, at the same time, they're already stretcfhing to carry 6 WR's. I think Frank Murphy wins this year's Robert Baker award, and its unfortunate cause he's done some impressive things in camp thus far.
I guess we'll see - as long as Welker doesn't get cut, I'll be happy. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: bsfins on June 22, 2006, 01:28:09 pm I think Vick will probably end up on the practice squad,unless he just looks awsome in training camp.
Devin Aromashodu Frank Murphy I think one them will also be on the practice squad.... I feel (Knock on wood that it wont) that Injury will determine who will make the team.... For some reason it seems like we have atleast 1 WR go down for most of the year... Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on June 22, 2006, 06:01:11 pm Wasn't that Hagan guy the Qb at Virginia last year ? Derek Hagen was the go to WR at Arizona State. He gets a case of the dropsies once in a while but he is a quality wide out. I would like to see him have a productive career. I hate Marcus Vick and if he never did anything with the Phins I would not shed a tear. I don't see Cambell going anywhere either. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Brian Fein on June 22, 2006, 11:53:25 pm Marcus Vick is a physical athletic specimen. He may not be the world's greatest QB, but we don't need him to be. Get him the ball in the open field, watch him deke one guy and outrun 10 others....
It'll be a good thing if he can keep his nose clean. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on June 23, 2006, 06:59:50 am Marcus Vick is a physical athletic specimen. He may not be the world's greatest QB, but we don't need him to be. Get him the ball in the open field, watch him deke one guy and outrun 10 others.... It'll be a good thing if he can keep his nose clean. Seeing as so far he hasn't had any incidents, I think he's finally gotten the message. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: TonyB0D on June 23, 2006, 08:27:17 am Seeing as so far he hasn't had any incidents, I think he's finally gotten the message. let's not speak so soon, eh? he's only been with us for like 2 weeks or so... Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Frimp on June 23, 2006, 11:46:20 am Marcus Vick is a physical athletic specimen. He may not be the world's greatest QB, but we don't need him to be. Get him the ball in the open field, watch him deke one guy and outrun 10 others.... It'll be a good thing if he can keep his nose clean. He's a specimen all right. ;D Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Denver_Bronco on June 23, 2006, 11:47:18 am I think Chambers is going to have a huge year.
Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Frimp on June 23, 2006, 11:49:20 am I think Chambers is going to have a huge year. Booker may as well. Chambers will likely draw double coverage. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on June 23, 2006, 01:35:07 pm I think Chambers is going to have a huge year. I think I just choked on my Mt. Dew. Did something change in the 2 months I was off the board where Denver can actually say something about the Dolphins without being negative. Holy shit someone pinch me quick....I might still be sleeping. Just fucking with you bro.... ;D If Fergott can make Chambers a Pro Bowler I can not wait to see how he and C-Pep work together. I agree it could be a big year for Booker as well. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on June 23, 2006, 02:02:25 pm let's not speak so soon, eh? he's only been with us for like 2 weeks or so... You're right, but it's been almost five months since his last incident. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on June 23, 2006, 02:04:45 pm I think I just choked on my Mt. Dew. Did something change in the 2 months I was off the board where Denver can actually say something about the Dolphins without being negative. Holy shit someone pinch me quick....I might still be sleeping. Just fucking with you bro.... ;D If Fergott can make Chambers a Pro Bowler I can not wait to see how he and C-Pep work together. I agree it could be a big year for Booker as well. Agreed.... and I think Hagan takes the third receiver spot. After watching tapes of him at AZ State, he reminds me of guys like Anquan Boldin or Oronde Gadsden...... a guy who isn't the biggest or the fastest but will make plays. His "dropsies" happened only at the Senior Bowl and the Scouting Combine and is something that can be worked on. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Brian Fein on June 23, 2006, 04:26:21 pm a guy who isn't the biggest or the fastest but will make plays. so, Wes Welker, then?Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Househead on June 23, 2006, 04:42:01 pm Hagan is not the biggest...but he is far from short either. 6'1 if I recall. The kid can play and will be out #3...maybe even #2 in time.
Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: DolFan619 on June 23, 2006, 11:01:28 pm Marcus Vick needs to have a lights out training camp and preseason if he wants to make the team. Otherwise he'll be practice squad. I also think Frank Murphy will be practice squad as well. I can't see Welker getting cut, no way, no how!
The guy made huge plays on critical third downs last year, and he's still a great KR/PR, I think the blocking on special teams could've been better or he would've broken more plays. Also this guy can kick, (in case you forgot) if Mare goes down in a game, we can use Welker instead of having to rely on Donnie Jones to kick a field goal. Welker is definitely football's version of the "utility man." All in all the top three receivers from last year will be the same, I think that the four and five spots you'll see a lot of swapping out of guys. Campbell, Hagan, and Aromashodu will see lots of time in those spots. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Dave Gray on June 24, 2006, 01:48:29 am I know we've been over this, but I just cacn't understand cutting a guy like Welker. The fans love him, and he makes plays. This team has seen so much wasted potential, that it's important to have an overachieving, character guy to send a message to guys that production gets there over potential.
Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Frimp on June 24, 2006, 02:29:57 am I know we've been over this, but I just cacn't understand cutting a guy like Welker. The fans love him, and he makes plays. This team has seen so much wasted potential, that it's important to have an overachieving, character guy to send a message to guys that production gets there over potential. Agreed Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Dphins4me on June 25, 2006, 11:49:35 am I don't see how Kelly Campbell does not make the team. He is pretty good. Why was he out of football last year?Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: Phishfan on June 26, 2006, 08:35:51 am You're right, but it's been almost five months since his last incident. What kind of world do we live in if staying out of trouble for less than a year is a good thing? Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: The_Phinatic on June 26, 2006, 12:53:37 pm Campbell just ook the year off I believe. Not 100% on that one though. I like his potential as a WR and a returner.
The first thing we need to recognize IMO is that the article that started this thread is from a fan site. So, their opinion is no different than ours and there is a chance the writer didn't attend camp. Aromadoshu has a bad case of the dropsies. I think the weak links are him and Frank Murphy. Marcus Vick not included because I can't rate him because of my bias. Nothing would please me more than to see his ass sent packing (luggage, not another piece). Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on June 26, 2006, 01:49:41 pm What kind of world do we live in if staying out of trouble for less than a year is a good thing? Thanks Phish. He is a piece of shit thug and most likely always will be. 5 months is not shit he is bound to find himself back in trouble soon. I am sure there are periods between his crimes that were longer than 5 months. I hope he gets his walking papers!!!!! Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: TEKGOD on June 28, 2006, 02:06:44 am (http://wrestle.ru/photo/randysavage/images/07.jpg)
Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: DearbornDolfan on June 28, 2006, 02:10:41 am Aromadoshu has a bad case of the dropsies. Can somebody say bullshit? Quote from: NFL.com Prospect Profiles Strong Points: Aromashodu is a tall receiver with the exposiveness, playing speed and hands to get deep and make big plays. He is an aggressive runner with the ball. He has an explosive burst through cracks, keeps his feet against hard hits, runs through arm tackles and gains yards after contact. He is not only a good runner after the catch, but also is a dangerous return man. He will go across the middle and make the tough catch consistently; he takes the hard hit and holds onto the ball. He has the hands to adjust and make tough catches consistently. He makes the over-the-shoulder catch down the field surprisingly well. He is a good blocker who consistently gets after his man and eliminates him from the play. Weaknesses: Despite being a good athlete, Aromashodu doesn't have much sharpness in his short/medium routes. He does not get out of his cuts sharply and does not consistently get separation. He has little experience against the jam and needs to improve his hand use and side-to-side shake to release against the jam better. Even though he has very good size for a receiver, he does not use his body well to shield the defender from the pass. More than anything, he is somewhat of a one-dimensional receiver who is very good at stretching the field and making big plays deep, but is not a consistently good all-around receiver due to his choppy short and medium routes. Hands (Grade: 6.0/8.0): He has good hands to pluck ball away from his body. He caught 83 percent of the passes thrown his way. He had a final grade of I5.9, which basically means he rates as a career backup and special teams player, but a very good one. Also, I'm disappointed in your Wanny mentality, I would have thought the, "Hey, let's appease everybody" attitude would have gone away when the Disaster Season struck. If you think for a second Saban won't pull a Gunny Hartman ("My orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve with my beloved Fins") if Aromatherapy is better than Welker, then I want to know where you keep your stash. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: mcduff81 on June 28, 2006, 08:36:26 am I think Aroshmondu ends up on the practice squad while Murphy ends up on the unemployment line...
Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: bsfins on June 28, 2006, 07:42:31 pm hmm well..Saban doesn't think that the battle is good enough....
From Dolphins.com... Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - The Miami Dolphins today were awarded wide receiver Jamall Broussard off waivers from Cincinnati. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: LUDUPORCU on June 28, 2006, 09:09:03 pm I think Aroshmondu ends up on the practice squad while Murphy ends up on the unemployment line... I agree. First of all, BOOKER will be making a ton of money next year, and may very well become a "cap" casualty. So, even if we DO have a glut of talented, young WRs, I think you'll see Coach SABAN move heaven and earth to keep as many as possible...including 6 WR roster spots. At PRESENT, we have CHAMBERS, BOOKER and WES as WRs who did well last season with Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb at QB. To that, add HAGEN, who's a quicker and faster GADSEN. AROMADASHU is a 6'3", 210 lb burner. CAMPBELL's also really fast, and played with DAUNTE in 2004 in MINNESOTA--so he's a familiar face and a known quantity for CULPEPPER. For that alone, he stays, as does AROMADASHU---somewhere. We had a few WRs on the PS who showed promise. It's time for them to "fish or cut bait". If 1 or 2 emerge, they stay. MURPHY seems to have "the tools" and experience. I just don't know enough about him. If he shows up in preseason, he stays: if not, he goes. That makes 9 in all. With 6 WR Roster spots and 2 PS squad spots, MIAMI could keep everyone--or just about everyone. That way, STs won't suffer, and if BOOKER isn't around next season because of his "cap" number or whatever, MIAMI won't be desperate, and may not even feel the pain. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: The_Phinatic on June 29, 2006, 12:14:49 am Quote Can somebody say bullshit? Yes, and you're full of it on this one. I am an Auburn Season Ticket Holder and Aroma drops crucial passes. Is 83% supposed to be good? Not in my book, and not in any coach worth a squat's book, and that's why he was a 7th rounder. Title: Re: Miami's wide receiver race is wide open Post by: The_Phinatic on June 29, 2006, 12:19:50 am And one more thing Dearborn, you may not want to make all your judgements based on stats alone or some blurb you googled. Two can play at that game. I've actually seen him play.
Here's one back at 'ya from ESPN: Quote Overall: Aromashodu started eight of the 13 games he played in during his true freshman season in 2002 and he played in all 13 games of the 2003 season. Aromashodu started all 13 games of the 2004 season, catching 24 passes for a total of 513 yards and four touchdowns. He also returned three kickoffs for a total of 85 yards. As a senior in 2005, Aromashodu finished with 494 yards and four TD's on 26 receptions. Aromashodu's biggest weakness is his unrealized potential, which could also be viewed as his biggest strength as an NFL prospect. While he has a very good combination of height, burst, agility and hands, he doesn't run great routes and he drops too many passes that he should catch. Aromashodu improved his value during his senior season, when he developed into Auburn's premier big-play receiver. He continued to improve his value with an outstanding http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=9387&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfldraft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d9387 Yes, someone can say bullshit. I'll say it right now when it comes to thinking 83% catching eliminates the idea of the dropsies. Derek Hagan = 94% Chad Jackson = 96% |