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But, there is that line from "Dead Man Walking" where Penn's character indicates that, despite the calm expression on his face, he will still feel enormous pain as his heart is stopped by the killing drug. So, I don't know that there is an actual "humane" way to do it if "humane" in this context means pain-free.

That's what I'm asking.  In both the case of my colonoscopy and my kidney stone stuff, I had zero awareness and was fully sedated.  They could've thrown me off a building, blown me up, whatever.  I just don't get how there could be pain -- I was unconscious.

It seems like a 3 step process would make this super easy:
- sedative/relaxant
- make them unconscious
- lethal dosage

Dave, I'd be interested to hear your take on this. Do these people have serious mental issues or just really sure they know better than anyone else what they are talking about?
Behind the curve

I'm not qualified to diagnose someone with mental illness, but yes....something like that.  I think that otherwise smart people can compartmentalize beliefs and have them turn off normal logic or skills about one thing.

For a lot of us, that's sports -- we root for a team so we find a way to think something is fair or foul based on our biases.  ...sometimes that politics, where we allow something for our own side that we'd never allow from the other.  Religion is definitely one -- people believe absolutely indefensibly crazy, fantastical things that they would never allow themselves to believe about something else.  And for some people, that falls into conspiracy, whether it be flat Earth, cryptozoology, chemtrails, government conspiracies, whatever.

I'm a human that is susceptible to all the same kinds of things, but I really make an effort to check myself when I support an idea and ask myself if I'd feel the same way if it was coming from an opposing position.  I think I'm pretty OK at it, but it's something I've actively worked towards for decades.  Whatever belief I have, I would like to believe that new facts and information would allow me to change my position.

That said, I'm just not interested in conspiracy stuff like Flat Earth because I don't think that the people who hold those beliefs are coming through reason and I don't believe that (in most cases) there is anything to gain in engaging them.  In order to have a conversation about something that is meaningful, you both have to start with a shared set of facts.  I don't share those with conspiracy theorists, so I find them dull.  "How can we know anything?" is inherently destructive of sharing ideas.

I think Denver's comment was sarcastic and in the same spirit that the Packers proposal isn't about safety but an inability to neither stop nor replicate the play.

Gotcha. I see it now. My mistake. I just see and hear people complaining about it like it's some new mysterious defense made up to stop Tyreek and Waddle.

This is silly considering most other teams find ways to beat it. We seem to be the only ones struggling for various reasons. All teams have this in their defensive packages and its been around since before Marino.  Almost all teams played 2 high against him and it did not matter.

I think Denver's comment was sarcastic and in the same spirit that the Packers proposal isn't about safety but an inability to neither stop nor replicate the play.

[because of them.]

Let's be clear on what "integrity" means in this sentence: you claim you "had no intention of voting for Trump" a THIRD time... but you did anyway.
And why?  Not despite his felony convictions, but specifically because of them.

You're right.  I don't know anyone with that sort of "integrity."

Listen dude, whatever you need to tell yourself in the mirror to sleep at night is on you.  But if you make a thread like this in another desperate attempt to own the libs, don't expect us to just ignore your complete abdication of all your moral high ground.

I was more referring to the fact you never take me at my word. Whatever. I honestly wouldn't spend time typing out something that I believed was untrue. It may not be the actual fact but I can assure you that is what I believe if I say it is.

BTW ... Randy Fine who has Trump's endorsement,  is struggling to secure Mike Waltz's seat but my wife and I ( as well as many others) refuse to vote for him as he is an actual piece of crap. Him being a Republican makes no difference to us. Trump won this area by 30 points. It should have been a slam dunk. 

[because of them.]

I take it you don't know anyone with integrity.

Let's be clear on what "integrity" means in this sentence: you claim you "had no intention of voting for Trump" a THIRD time... but you did anyway.
And why?  Not despite his felony convictions, but specifically because of them.

You're right.  I don't know anyone with that sort of "integrity."

Listen dude, whatever you need to tell yourself in the mirror to sleep at night is on you.  But if you make a thread like this in another desperate attempt to own the libs, don't expect us to just ignore your complete abdication of all your moral high ground.

^^^^^^With the Dolphins salary cap situation they need to shop the clearance scratch and dent bin.

^^^ I take it you don't know anyone with integrity. Either way ... the lady Trump just put up to lead the CDC is a horrible pick and should make people like you happy. Not sure how a lady who advocates Covid vaccines for 6 month olds is supposed to work with Kennedy or support the Republican agenda. It's another freaking Susie Wiles pick. 

It's funny how there are billions of unvaxxed people out there living a great life

^^^ I take it you don't know anyone with integrity. Either way ... the lady Trump just put up to lead the CDC is a horrible pick and should make people like you happy. Not sure how a lady who advocates Covid vaccines for 6 month olds is supposed to work with Kennedy or support the Republican agenda. It's another freaking Susie Wiles pick. 

you don't like her because she's too much of a scientist for the CDC ?

^^^ I take it you don't know anyone with integrity. Either way ... the lady Trump just put up to lead the CDC is a horrible pick and should make people like you happy. Not sure how a lady who advocates Covid vaccines for 6 month olds is supposed to work with Kennedy or support the Republican agenda. It's another freaking Susie Wiles pick.