Trade Deadline

[Pappy13]

That is a load of crap. Sorry. If any team is 1-5 or 2-6, guess what the year is OFFICIALLY OVER!

I'm sure glad that you're not a member of the Miami Dolphins because If ANY of them feel this way, they should quit playing football. Right now. Don't wait, because your career is OVER. I've never seen any athlete worth a lick that believed the season was over half way through the season no matter what the circumstances.

The playoffs is the goal, but when the goal becomes unobtainable, you change the goal, you don't give up on the season. If the playoffs is out of the picture than you change the goal to win the rest of the games, or make it to .500 or whatever, but you NEVER ever give up on the season. Never.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Depends on who you are trading.  A solid player with 3 years left on his contract would be short term thinking.  A player who will be a FA at the end of the season makes a lot of sense. 

[jtex316]

If the Dolphins' season is truly in fact over if they lose on Sunday and they go on to "clean house" as some of you suggest...and as some others of you have also suggested, the QB position is everything, why not trade the entire 2012 draft to whomever is going to get the #1 overall pick to that team to grab Andrew Luck?

Since the Dolphins have had very little success in the draft, you might as well do this b/c chances are the Dolphins won't be picking up anyone in the draft in traditional means that will be any good anyways, so you might as well trade the whole thing up for Luck.

[dolfan13]

no one is going to pass on drafting luck.

you could try and give away 2 whole drafts for the pick, won't make a difference. the evaluation is that he is the next peyton manning. u are not trading away potential peyton manning success for the next 12+ years for anything.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

no one is going to pass on drafting luck.

you could try and give away 2 whole drafts for the pick, won't make a difference. the evaluation is that he is the next peyton manning. u are not trading away potential peyton manning success for the next 12+ years for anything.

Maybe, maybe not. 

It is not common for a team to have a franchise QB and be the first overall pick, but is possible. 

1. Colts have the worst record in the league, but prognosis for Manning returning is excellent.  Trade down 2 to 5 spots for a 2012 2nd and 2013 1st. 

2. Cleveland has the worst record in the league.  Atlanta trades this pick.  Same deal with Saints and NE, but the odds of Brown getting the first overall is better than New Orleans.

3. A team is an utter disaster.  QB is one of many holes.  GM decides having extra picks are worth passing on the possibility that Luck is the next Manning/Brady. 

[dolfan13]

i'd say except for those teams that have high investments in a young qb, no one would trade out.

the colts won't pass on drafting the heir to manning. they were an utter disaster before they drafted manning.

probably a team like st louis would entertain trading out, same with carolina. be an interesting discussion in the jags, vikes draft room i would think.

new economics of the draft, we're not talking a cost prohibitive sam bradford type contract here.

[MikeO]

If the Dolphins' season is truly in fact over if they lose on Sunday and they go on to "clean house" as some of you suggest...and as some others of you have also suggested, the QB position is everything, why not trade the entire 2012 draft to whomever is going to get the #1 overall pick to that team to grab Andrew Luck?

No team will pass on Luck. He is being compared to Elway/Manning no team will not take him. If the Panthers end up with the #1 pick they will take Luck and find a way to move Newton. That's how much of a "sure thing" Luck is

[Brian Fein]

No team will pass on Luck, unless a team like Atlanta ends up with #1 and they are asking too much for the trade.  I think they still take their guy there.

However, I also don't think Luck is a shoe-in to be Peyton Manning.  It greatly depends on where he's drafted and what other cogs that team has in place next season.  He could be the next Ryan Leaf.

[Spider-Dan]

If Newton continues at anything like the pace he is at right now, the Panthers would be idiots to trade him.

I don't care how good Luck is projected to be.  Even if he achieves that, with the way Newton is headed, picking Luck would be like the '83 Raiders getting rid of Marcus Allen so they could draft Eric Dickerson.  It's stupid and counterproductive.  A bird in the hand...

[David Fulcher]

Actually you make no sense at all!

You say we should trade for picks but you say Ireland sucks at picking players!  So we should trade away good players we have so Ireland can bring in more players that suck?

This.

I believe I've gotten to the point where I'll agree with you, MikeO, that Ireland sucks, or at least is just not good enough, and therefore probably needs to go, but if that's the case--but you still think he'll be here--then why the hell would you want him trading away what we know are decent players at the least (I think more highly of Marshall and Bess than you obviously do; Wake has really been a disappointment thus far this season, but we'll see since it's only been two games) for what will probably be mediocre or bad, and inexperienced, draft picks? 

Makes no sense to me.  I have little to no faith in this guy in picking from the 2nd round on (Pat White [I don't care if it was Parcells call or not!], Philip Merling, Patrick Turner, etc., etc., that are just early or "mid-round" picks, let alone late round picks), so yes, I've gotten to the point with this current regime that if they're gonna stay around (hopefully not at this rate), I'd rather keep what we know is decent (few players, I'll admit) and take other teams' good players if they somehow became available.  Is this normally ever a good strategy?  No, not at all.  In fact, I hate it.  But from what this regime has shown with its *ability* in 4 seasons' time now, I definitely don't wanna be giving away decent, fairly young, non-injured talent such as Marshall or Bess for a bust of a 2nd-3rd round selected defensive or offensive lineman!

I don't find it ridiculous at all that other posters are questioning your logic here.  Now if we could get a decent, Scott Pioli-like GM.....

[MikeO]

What I want and what will actually happen are 2 different things.  I didn't think it was a tough concept to understand. Guess I was wrong.

Just because Ireland has sucked thus far, doesn't mean you DON'T do a good deal to put your team in a better position long-term. If you just throw your hands up and say we can't do this cause our GM sucks, then might as well close shop and stop trying to be an NFL team. THAT LOGIC I DON'T UNDERSTAND!