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el diablo
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« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2012, 07:18:35 pm »

Because I keep forgetting that the QB is also responsible for missed FG's and missed defensive assignments.
Why don't the Carolina years count? Because he doesn't play there anymore.
I don't expect you to be impressed. That takes an act of God.
What does impress me, is someone playing with confidence. Someone able to make throws when given the time to do it. Is he perfect? No. But what he brings to the table is workable. He's no Drew Brees. But he is no Jay Fiedler either.
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2012, 07:21:43 pm »

But what he brings to the table is workable. He's no Drew Brees. But he is no Jay Fiedler either.

 Moore is WORSE than both Brees and what Fiedler was.

And with Philbin hired it looks like Matt Flynn will be in Miami next year. So no need to worry about trading up for a QB, you get what you want there. And Matt Moore can go back to wearing the baseball cap and carrying the clipboard, which is what he does best!
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« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2012, 07:25:40 pm »

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's a pretty big stretch. Just becuase Philbin is here is NO guarantee Flynn is on his way. No one I've heard on either side of that has mentioned him wanting to be in Miami or Miami going after him. -EK
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« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2012, 07:28:16 pm »

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's a pretty big stretch. Just becuase Philbin is here is NO guarantee Flynn is on his way. No one I've heard on either side of that has mentioned him wanting to be in Miami or Miami going after him. -EK

LaCanfora and Armando are reporting  it was a big part of Philbin's interview in NYC this week with Ross. Talking about Flynn and bringing him to Miami.  Especially if Philbin brings Tom Clements in as the Fins new offensive coordinator. No guarantee cause a team could give Flynn "silly goofy" money. But Flynn to Miami looks very real
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el diablo
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« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2012, 08:41:42 pm »

Moore worse than Fiedler, not even close. He has shown improvement, just like Flynn. To me, Flynn is a lateral move. Man has one good game in week 17 and people (like you) think he's Aaron Rodgers, Jr. Sorry, I'm not buying that. I am buying the guy that took his lumps with this team, this year.
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« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2012, 09:30:49 pm »

Moore worse than Fiedler, not even close.

When Matt Moore leads a team to the playoffs on multiple occasion and wins at least 1 playoff game, let me know. Until he does then Fiedler has the better resume and its not even close!
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el diablo
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« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2012, 09:44:42 pm »

Oh, so Moore has to lead a team to the playoffs on multiple occasions. Yet, he doesn't get the chance to even start next year in your world. That's like buying anything you want in a store, that doesn't accept your money.
Then again, I forgot. Moore had his "chance" in Carolina. And that's all that matters. Not what he did on the field for the team you root for.
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« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2012, 09:48:15 pm »

Oh, so Moore has to lead a team to the playoffs on multiple occasions. Yet, he doesn't get the chance to even start next year in your world. That's like buying anything you want in a store, that doesn't accept your money.
Then again, I forgot. Moore had his "chance" in Carolina. And that's all that matters. Not what he did on the field for the team you root for.

YES!! Win meaningful games and take a team to the playoffs! Moore has been in the league for 5 years (yes 5 years), and has shown nothing in those 5 years. He didn't do anything on the field this year, I don't know what games you watched. Beat up on some garbage teams like KC, Washington and Buffalo (twice).  Seriously, he did nothing.  Lost to good teams beat bad teams.
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el diablo
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« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2012, 11:52:06 pm »

6-0 when Matt Moore was sacked 2 times or less. In those games he had 10 TDS with 3 Ints. Which means he was 0-6 with 6 TDS and 6 Ints when sacked more than twice. Sounds like if they block better, he plays better. Imagine that. If you need your QB to overcome being sacked 5 times,(not to mention the pressures), on a weekly basis to win, then you're completely lost. You might win 1 or 2 with an "elite" QB. But you won't win consistently that way.
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« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2012, 11:25:36 am »

Lol, owned. -EK
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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2012, 11:36:10 am »

6-0 when Matt Moore was sacked 2 times or less. In those games he had 10 TDS with 3 Ints. Which means he was 0-6 with 6 TDS and 6 Ints when sacked more than twice. Sounds like if they block better, he plays better. Imagine that. If you need your QB to overcome being sacked 5 times,(not to mention the pressures), on a weekly basis to win, then you're completely lost. You might win 1 or 2 with an "elite" QB. But you won't win consistently that way.

LOL, so if a QB gets sacked more than twice a game he can't lead a team to a  win? What kind of backwards logic is that? Jay Cutler has been sacked 3-5 times a game for a year and a half straight and he went to the NFC Championship game last year and it didn't hurt his play. It hurt him physically as he has been injured alot, but to say you will automatically lose if you give up 2 sacks a game is silly. Big Ben has been sacked a ton and he has won super bowls and been to multiple super bowls being sacked left and right. Their o-line sucks in Pitt. Doesn't slow Big Bend own. I mean its comical. You can't actually believe this stuff!

Yeah the o-line needs to improve, that has nothing to do with the fact Matt Moore can't play or beat a good team. Matt Moore was also 6-0 vs BAD teams. That's the only stat that matters. Not counting sacks...lol
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el diablo
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« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2012, 01:17:54 pm »

Obviously, stats are not a definition. Take it for what its worth. Since you brought up Big Ben & Cutler, lets take a look. Same standard of 2 sacks.
Ben(2 or less): 7-1, 15 TD's, 4 ints.
      (2 or more): 4-3, 6 TD's, 10 ints.

Cutler(2 or less): 6-0, 7 TD's, 4 ints.
          (2 or more): 1-3, 6 TD's, 3 ints.

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« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2012, 10:39:36 pm »

el diablo, it seems like you're really saying that if a QB doesn't get sacked, he has a really good chance of winning.  I don't see what that specifically has to do with Matt Moore.
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el diablo
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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2012, 12:07:44 am »

Well, Spider I was just trying to make a point. When the line does its job, Moore can be as productive as other QB's.
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