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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2022, 02:45:29 pm »

He is doing his job.  If the DA has an honest and sincere belief that a law is unconstitutional he is duty bound not to enforce the law.  Note: that is different than just personally disagrees with the law, but actually believes the law is unconstitutional.  In this case the law probably violates the Florida state constitution.  Maybe the Florida supreme court will rule that it is Constitutional, but until then it would be a gross violation of his ethical duties to willfully do something he believes would be a violation of a citizen's constitutional rights.  

Why hasn't Desantos removed Sherriff Dennis Lemma?

We have state attorneys in Florida not district attorneys.  The person in question is Andrew Warren the State Attorney of the 13th Judicial Circuit.  If you're going to use Florida's constitution as an example, the Governor has the authority to suspend a state officer under Article IV, Section 7 of the Constitution of the State of Florida.  When a State Attorney refuses to enforce the laws of a State, they are not doing their job.  You can disagree with the politics of it all you want, but that's how it is.  Now if you want to point to specific portions of Florida's constitution that supports what you are saying, then by all means quote it.  But to say "In this case the law probably violates the Florida state constitution." well you're just grasping at straws.
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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2022, 04:14:03 pm »

Did this law pass?  I don't really care about hypotheticals.

What law did Andrew Warren not enforce?  He is being punished for what he said.  Last I checked that is protected by the 1st amendment.  Republicans have been screaming about a stolen election that wasn't stolen.  DeSantos is stealing the election of the people of Hillsborough.  The people of Hillsborough choose who their state atty is not the Governor.  And Desantos didn't just remove Warren and turn over the office to the deputy state atty, he appointed a political lacky from outside the department. 
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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2022, 04:27:49 pm »

What law did Andrew Warren not enforce?  He is being punished for what he said.  Last I checked that is protected by the 1st amendment.  Republicans have been screaming about a stolen election that wasn't stolen.  DeSantos is stealing the election of the people of Hillsborough.  The people of Hillsborough choose who their state atty is not the Governor.  And Desantos didn't just remove Warren and turn over the office to the deputy state atty, he appointed a political lacky from outside the department. 
Dodging the question as usual.  I'm not going to waste my time on you providing examples when I know you don't argue in good faith to begin with.  You can look them up if you want.
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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2022, 04:58:49 pm »

Dodging the question as usual.  I'm not going to waste my time on you providing examples when I know you don't argue in good faith to begin with.  You can look them up if you want.

Bullshit.  You can't give an example because none exist.
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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2022, 07:35:48 pm »

Bullshit.  You can't give an example because none exist.
I call bullshit on your bullshit when all you do is post threads to cause maximum subversion.  He refused to do his job and he was suspended.  It's easy to look up why, I'm not doing it for you. 
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2022, 08:04:25 pm »

I call bullshit on your bullshit when all you do is post threads to cause maximum subversion.  He refused to do his job and he was suspended.  It's easy to look up why, I'm not doing it for you.  

While Roe was still the law of the land he signed a letter stating it would be a waste of prosecutoral resources to prosecute doctors for making healthcare decisions with their patients.  He was also fired for opposing anti-transgender proposal that has not actually become law.
Even if you think that it is grounds to fire a state atty for failing to prosecute these types of cases it was grossly premature.  And even then the appropriate response would be for his political opponent to challenge him on it during the next election.

You can’t give an example because none exist.
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« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2022, 12:14:49 pm »

He suspended him he didn't fire him.  Saying he was fired, calling him a district attorney...read this, you seem to be pretty misinformed on the whole issue.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-suspends-state-attorney-andrew-warren



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« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2022, 12:34:44 pm »

He suspended him he didn't fire him.  Saying he was fired, calling him a district attorney...read this, you seem to be pretty misinformed on the whole issue.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-suspends-state-attorney-andrew-warren





Fired/Suspended meaningless distinction in this case.  And DA, state attorney and county prosecutor all basically mean the same thing.  I am not going to discuss pointless semantics. 

FACT:  Andrew Warren not once, but twice by the people who he serves.

FACT:  He voiced an opinion that Führer  Governor of Florida disagreed with.

FACT:  There has not been a single case of him "not doing his job" because there hasn't been a single referral that he supposedly is refusing to prosecute. 

This is Desantos abusing his power in an attempt to silence a political opponent and play to  ultramaga base. 
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« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2022, 03:43:41 pm »



FACT:  There has not been a single case of him "not doing his job" because there hasn't been a single referral that he supposedly is refusing to prosecute. 
 
He signed a public pledge to NOT do his job. In any business that is insubordination at minimum. Obviously this will go to court so it will be interesting to see how it works out.
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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2022, 03:49:23 pm »

He signed a public pledge to NOT do his job. In any business that is insubordination at minimum. Obviously this will go to court so it will be interesting to see how it works out.

Insubordination?  To whom?  Desantos?  He doesn't work for Desantos. 
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« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2022, 03:50:55 pm »

Insubordination?  To whom?  Desantos?  He doesn't work for Desantos. 
The people of Florida. I guess you think he should be able to do what he wants since he is a Democrat.
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« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2022, 04:34:30 pm »

The people of Florida. I guess you think he should be able to do what he wants since he is a Democrat.

The people of Florida hired him in 2016 and decided he was doing a good enough job to keep doing it in 2020.  If the people who hired him an opportunity in 2024 to re-hire him or fire him.  That is how democracy works.  If someone runs against him on the issue that he isn't doing enough to crack down on the imaginary claims Destanis made, then fine, that can be the campaign issue, but he shouldn't be removed by an authoritarian for holding opposing political views.   
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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2022, 04:58:34 pm »

Again, he wasn't fired he was suspended. 

Under the state constitution, DeSantis has the authority to suspend state officials "for reasons of misfeasance, malfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony," according to the news release from the governor's office.

It's up to the Florida Senate to fire him.  Details are important, even if you don't think so.  Like I said, you should be more informed before commenting.
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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2022, 05:04:55 pm »

Again, he wasn't fired he was suspended. 

Under the state constitution, DeSantis has the authority to suspend state officials "for reasons of misfeasance, malfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony," according to the news release from the governor's office.

It's up to the Florida Senate to fire him.  Details are important, even if you don't think so.  Like I said, you should be more informed before commenting.

Okay let's narrow this down.  Which of these do you believe he did....

1. misfeasance,

2.malfeasance,

3. neglect of duty,

4. drunkenness,

5. incompetence, 

6. permanent inability to perform official duties, or

7.  commission of a felony

And what did he do that meets said definition.  Not that he might do one of these 7 things at some point in the future.   Which of these 7 has he already done. 
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