Pats fan dies after punch from Dolphins fan.

[Denver2]

If you have a heart condition and something happens that causes sudden stress and a rapid rise in blood pressure (a fight would be a perfect example) it can trigger a heart attack.  Not to mention that he was 53 and from the looks of him, I'll bet he wasn't exactly a model citizen when it came to diet and exercise.  

That being said, I agree with Dave.   Fighting over a football game is really stupid and look what it can lead to.   Don't be surprised if the NFL steps in and severely restricts alcohol sales at games.

No I agree with you in case you thought otherwise. It’s why you just walk away. If you know you got a heart condition you should avoid a football game and should avoid trash talking if you go.

Shouldn’t hit the man either hope whoever hit him honestly understands what he contributed to and that should be enough punishment. Ban him from some games and make him do community service.

[Spider-Dan]

A lot of the "law & order" types seem to have suddenly developed a case of the softies!
So I guess this guy didn't die from the assault, but... with the assault?

To be clear, I think our justice system is draconian and insane, and I'd welcome reform to our ridiculous sentencing guidelines in this country.  But it sure would be nice to see this kind of nuance applied to suspects who aren't fans of our favorite team.

[Denver2]

A lot of the "law & order" types seem to have suddenly developed a case of the softies!
So I guess this guy didn't die from the assault, but... with the assault?

To be clear, I think our justice system is draconian and insane, and I'd welcome reform to our ridiculous sentencing guidelines in this country.  But it sure would be nice to see this kind of nuance applied to suspects who aren't fans of our favorite team.

I wish that nuance was applied to every situation all the time the way the founders intended.

[pondwater]

A lot of the "law & order" types seem to have suddenly developed a case of the softies!
So I guess this guy didn't die from the assault, but... with the assault?

To be clear, I think our justice system is draconian and insane, and I'd welcome reform to our ridiculous sentencing guidelines in this country.  But it sure would be nice to see this kind of nuance applied to suspects who aren't fans of our favorite team.

What are you even talking about?

[masterfins]

 

That being said, I agree with Dave.   Fighting over a football game is really stupid and look what it can lead to.   Don't be surprised if the NFL steps in and severely restricts alcohol sales at games.

I go to more games in Buffalo than any where else, the rule there is no alcohol sales after the conclusion of half-time, is that a league wide rule??  They can't stop alcohol sales in stadiums, too much money to be made; it wouldn't do any good anyways because the hard core drinkers are already drunk before they enter the stadium.  Not to mention people sneak liquor in to games anyways. 

[Brian Fein]

I go to more games in Buffalo than any where else, the rule there is no alcohol sales after the conclusion of half-time, is that a league wide rule??  They can't stop alcohol sales in stadiums, too much money to be made; it wouldn't do any good anyways because the hard core drinkers are already drunk before they enter the stadium.  Not to mention people sneak liquor in to games anyways. 

last time i went to a game, a million years ago, alcohol sales ended at the start of the 3rd quarter.  Since then, they've renovated the stadium and added 12 million new bars so who knows? but people go at halftime and line up and buy 8 beers and line them up by their seats.

[Dave Gray]

I went to games last year and beer sales cut at halftime.  But people usually get a drink or 2 for the 2nd half.  Either way, if you were pregaming and drinking during the game + beer after halftime, you aren't sobering up in an hour.

I think it's more likely that they crack down on tailgating (where they aren't making beer money) than in the stadium, where they are.

[Downunder Dolphan]

This is a tragic series of events, no one should be assaulted (let alone die) from a bit of banter at a football game. That's just wrong.

The question has to be asked... what the the hell was security doing during all of this? If a person from one group leaves a designated area and starts mouthing off in another area they're not supposed to be in, shouldn't they be doing something before it gets remotely close to getting to this? 

[Dave Gray]

This is a tragic series of events, no one should be assaulted (let alone die) from a bit of banter at a football game. That's just wrong.

The question has to be asked... what the the hell was security doing during all of this? If a person from one group leaves a designated area and starts mouthing off in another area they're not supposed to be in, shouldn't they be doing something before it gets remotely close to getting to this? 

I think the game was over.  So, people were talking shit during the game and then they got in each other's face afterwards.  The chain of events isn't that crazy.  But it escalated...and then someone threw a punch.  There probably wasn't anything for security to do prior to the punch.  People talk shit at football games.

[Pappy13]

I went to games last year and beer sales cut at halftime.  But people usually get a drink or 2 for the 2nd half.  Either way, if you were pregaming and drinking during the game + beer after halftime, you aren't sobering up in an hour.

I think it's more likely that they crack down on tailgating (where they aren't making beer money) than in the stadium, where they are.

I don't really think beer sales are the problem here. I'm sure it contributes to the problem, but it's not the problem.