Funny, scary and not surprising in one...

[SCFinFan]

^^^

Agree with Dave, except on one point.

The idea that evolution occurred "gradually" as it has commonly been used, has never set well with me. I have always favored the idea of punctuated equilibrium, frankly because their are large gaps and (seemingly) sudden rapid changes in morphology. I think the burgess shale, for example, explodes the idea that evolution continuously occurs gradually. 

[CF DolFan]

Why would anyone assume that Evolution and existance of God are exclusive? I just don't get that.

Ignorance on both sides.  If you have not heard aguments that evolution proves that God does not exist then you have been sheltered.  That's what the whole evolutionism vs. creationism argument is about.  Aside from having to deny that evolution is part of God's plan, most creationists have no issues with some theory of evolution.

[Lee]

All the people who don't believe in evolution should check out this video

http://www.revver.com/video/99898/imagining-the-tenth-dimension/

...Then they will see how meaningless our lives really are and how there are so many other ideas/concepts (some of which we have yet to even conceive).

[run_to_win]

I hate it when people say that "man comes from monkeys".

The people who say that evolved from monkeys - well, almost.  Apparently it's a longer process for them.

[Dave Gray]

CF, I haven't seen anyone in this thread say that they don't believe in evolution yet.

But, I disagree with you, that those saying that don't believe in evolution actually do believe in evolution, but it's just the wording of the question.

I've also never heard anyone say (I'm sure people have, but I've never heard it in any of my studies) that evolution disproves God.  Nothing can disprove God.  His very nature is unchallengeable, as per the way he's described.  It is very, very difficult to prove something doesn't exist.  Since God is not evidence based, but faith based, He can never be disproven.

Creation and Evolution cannot co-exist, however belief in God and evolution can.  Those that believe that God created evolution are not creationists.  They are evolutionists.

[StL FinFan]

Creation and evolution can both exist.  Life started somehow, and I believe God set the wheels in motion.  Others believe it was happenstance. 

[SCFinFan]

All the people who don't believe in evolution should check out this video

http://www.revver.com/video/99898/imagining-the-tenth-dimension/

...Then they will see how meaningless our lives really are and how there are so many other ideas/concepts (some of which we have yet to even conceive).

This is certainly a mind-broadening clip. I do not see how it has any ramifications for meaninglessness or otherwise.

[Dave Gray]

Creation and evolution can both exist.  Life started somehow, and I believe God set the wheels in motion.  Others believe it was happenstance. 

This is outright untrue.  What you're describing is evolution.  God creating evolution is EVOLUTION.  God creating man and monkey as separate creatures, as they now exist is CREATION.

Creationism -- as defined by dictionary.com.

1.   the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.

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This reminds me of a debate I had with a friend who was clearly pro-choice, but thought he was pro-life.  He said that he would never elect to have an abortion, because he thought it was wrong.  However, he didn't care what other people did.  Being against having abortions in his life, he thought that made him pro-life.  He just didn't understand the difference.  I see this as similar.

If you're a creationist, you can't believe in evolution.  The very definition of one conflicts with the other.

[StL FinFan]

By that definition, I am not a creationsist, but what does it matter anyway?  Everyone believes what they choose to believe.

[run_to_win]

Creation and evolution can both exist.  Life started somehow, and I believe God set the wheels in motion.  Others believe it was happenstance. 

Not so much life, but intelligent life.  Why are humans the only intelligent species?  There are species that have been evolving many times longer than homo-sapiens yet can't compare to our level of cognitive abilities or sentience.  Why is that?  Is God the difference?

[CF DolFan]

This is outright untrue.  What you're describing is evolution.  God creating evolution is EVOLUTION.  God creating man and monkey as separate creatures, as they now exist is CREATION.

Creationism -- as defined by dictionary.com.

1.   the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.

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This reminds me of a debate I had with a friend who was clearly pro-choice, but thought he was pro-life.  He said that he would never elect to have an abortion, because he thought it was wrong.  However, he didn't care what other people did.  Being against having abortions in his life, he thought that made him pro-life.  He just didn't understand the difference.  I see this as similar.

If you're a creationist, you can't believe in evolution.  The very definition of one conflicts with the other.

Again ... I think it's semantics.  For instance.  I believe that man was created by God and has evolved into the man that he is today from a much different man he was when God created him.  I do not believe that he started out an Ape let alone an amoeba.  By that defintion I am a creationist yet I feel I believe in some sort of evolution for not only man, but of many species.  I feel that most Christians probably fall into this catagory.

By my own defintion I'd say the larger catagory of people are creationalists who believe in some sort of evolition but are not actually evolutionists.  And bassed on that assumtion .... it's no wonder there is a high number of "No's" to the question.

[SCFinFan]

Not so much life, but intelligent life.  Why are humans the only intelligent species?  There are species that have been evolving many times longer than homo-sapiens yet can't compare to our level of cognitive abilities or sentience.  Why is that?  Is God the difference?

Well put.

[Phishfan]

But there are subcategories under creationism though Dave. You definition is only representative of one creationist theory.