Henne named the starter QB

[ethurst22a]

This is exactly what a disgruntled fan says.  Let's be serious about this. From what I have heard Thigpen is coming in at number two. That means he will get every chance that a number two always gets. Saying he will do nothing more than kneel on 3rd and 8 is really rediculous ethurst.

I liked some things I saw in Thigpen, but I also disliked some things I saw. Henne is in the same boat as far as that goes.

Phish,

I watched the guy for a year and he's better than Henne. He was thrown into the Pittsburgh game cold because of Pat White morphing into Larry Csonka and got his bell rang.

But look what he accomplished, WITHOUT taking any snaps with the first team that week. He almost bought Miami back. I mentioned this before but on the interception down by the goal line throwing for Ted Ginn Jr, Ginn didn't run his pattern correctly (what else is new?).

I've always had questions about how this regime views and evaluates players Matt Roth, Gibril Wilson, Patrick Turner, David Martin).

You have to evaluate Thigpen playing a whole game. I've seen him live vs Denver and in other games and the guys the real deal.

Now this is a stretch Fish but remember when Brett Farve was drafted by Atlanta and he was sitting behind Chris Miller? It's almost the same situation. Thigpen is a little bit of a risk taker and a gunslinger but most great quarterbacks have that attitude.

[ethurst22a]

Philly,

Yes, it was in a news flash that several teams wanted Pennington (maybe for a backup role) on NFL.com

But in the back of his mind, I still believe that he thinks that he can be a starter.

We've went through this before with Drew Brees whose shoulder also was shredded. Who knows? The arm could be stronger. Pennington has too much pride to settle for a three spot.

[Tepop84]

Because the parcells regime drafted henne, they aren't going to give up on him even though he is terrible.

[Phishfan]

I mentioned this before but on the interception down by the goal line throwing for Ted Ginn Jr, Ginn didn't run his pattern correctly (what else is new?).

I like some things I saw in Thigpen. I have no vested interest, I just want to see us find a good NFL QB.

That aside, I have seen you say the above before. Just as I did before I will ask again, how do you know Ginn ran the wrong pattern? You don't have a playbook floating around there do you? Ginn was where Thigpen threw the ball so if he ran it wrong, Thigpen also threw it wrong. The fact of the matter is that he was double covered and the ball should have never been thrown there.

[Defense54]

Because the parcells regime drafted henne, they aren't going to give up on him even though he is terrible.

How is he terrible? Star Running back out for the season. Oline depleted with injuries. Receivers who drop balls after being hit in the numbers. There is only so much you can expect from a Kid thrown into his position.

[bsfins]

Phish,

I watched the guy for a year and he's better than Henne. He was thrown into the Pittsburgh game cold because of Pat White morphing into Larry Csonka and got his bell rang.

But look what he accomplished, WITHOUT taking any snaps with the first team that week. He almost bought Miami back. I mentioned this before but on the interception down by the goal line throwing for Ted Ginn Jr, Ginn didn't run his pattern correctly (what else is new?).

I've always had questions about how this regime views and evaluates players Matt Roth, Gibril Wilson, Patrick Turner, David Martin).

You have to evaluate Thigpen playing a whole game. I've seen him live vs Denver and in other games and the guys the real deal.

Now this is a stretch Fish but remember when Brett Farve was drafted by Atlanta and he was sitting behind Chris Miller? It's almost the same situation. Thigpen is a little bit of a risk taker and a gunslinger but most great quarterbacks have that attitude.

Your memories aren't Fact, and you're the same person that thought he had no one to throw to K.C.,and that he was Chosen to start over Damon Huard,and Brodie Croyle..When in fact the only reason he played was because the other two were injured....

[Doc-phin]

Everyone SIMMA DA NA!!!

Henne definitely did enough last year to get this endorsement.  Nobody ( except ethurst's crazy ass  ) is calling for Thigpen as the starter.  For those of us that appear to be Thigpen supporters, it appears that we are mostly interested in fairness and what is in the best interest of the team than hating on any of the other QB's.

It is understandable that there would be concern that Henne would have an unfair advantage because of his big school backround and draft situation.  That doesn't mean that we should diminish what he has done with the team thus far, which is mostly positive (but not exactly outstanding).

We have seen our coaching staff sort of pick their favorites and not necessarily seen a performance reason as to why.  Considering the importance of the QB position, I don't think anybody wants to see the best guy not playing even if turned out to be Pat White.

But lets remember that endorsements get made and retracted all the time.  Now all we can do is hope that the evaluation of all players is done with the same colored shades on.

[ethurst22a]

Your memories aren't Fact, and you're the same person that thought he had no one to throw to K.C.,and that he was Chosen to start over Damon Huard,and Brodie Croyle..When in fact the only reason he played was because the other two were injured....

Dwayne Bowe wasn't the receiver that he is today that he was two years ago. He was better that Thedora Ginn but still unpolished. Herman Edwards started to phase Tony Gonzalez out of the offense (even though he came back in that cold game and drug two Dolphin defenders over the goal line).

I didn't say he (Thigs) was chosen to start over the other two. You said that B, I didn't. Factly, he was the biggest surprise find of that year. I never said anything about him being ANOINTED as the starter. My tone was that when he was playing for KC, you had to account for him. The Dolphins didn't and almost got beat. Do you think that Parcells or Sparano WASN'T impressed with what they saw that day? Obviously, they were.

If Edwards would have kept his job, Thigpen would still be in KC with Croyle as a number two or shipped somewhere to Siberia. Speaking of bad quarterbacks, how come Croyle gets a pass when Brady Quinn doesn't?

And if they didn't still didn't have doubts about Henne, they never would have picked up Thigpen. Herman Edwards got caught in a bad situation because he wanted to make the team younger and he did only for Haley to bring in Zach Thomas and Mike Vrabel.

Well, I assume that people who watch the NFL knew that Croyle and Huard were hurt but when they were QB'ing nothing happened.  Do you think that KC was gonna pay Croyle all that money to sit on the bench? Damon Huard was on his last legs anyway.

And this should make Miami fans hot under the collar. Damon Huard was not the answer when Marino retired. That was just Marino sticking up for his buddy that held his golf clubs.

You won't find anywhere in this post where I said that he (Thigpen) was anointed the starter FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON. My post mentioned nothing about WHEN he took over but his effectiveness when he was quarterbacking the Chiefs.

The Dolphin regime is doing some strange things in the player personnel department. I don't think Henne is the long term solution behind center. To me, he motivates NO ONE. Now if I'm wrong next year, I will personally write a letter and send him some flowers to team headquarters in Davie.

[ethurst22a]

I like some things I saw in Thigpen. I have no vested interest, I just want to see us find a good NFL QB.

That aside, I have seen you say the above before. Just as I did before I will ask again, how do you know Ginn ran the wrong pattern? You don't have a playbook floating around there do you? Ginn was where Thigpen threw the ball so if he ran it wrong, Thigpen also threw it wrong. The fact of the matter is that he was double covered and the ball should have never been thrown there.

Phish,

Go to NFL.com and watch the tape of that throw.

If you were a betting man, would you put your money on Ginn running the wrong pattern or not? Any takers? We're not exactly talking about Jerry Rice.

[bsfins]

Dwayne Bowe wasn't the receiver that he is today that he was two years ago. He was better that Thedora Ginn but still unpolished. Herman Edwards started to phase Tony Gonzalez out of the offense (even though he came back in that cold game and drug two Dolphin defenders over the goal line).

I didn't say he (Thigs) was chosen to start over the other two. You said that B, I didn't. Factly, he was the biggest surprise find of that year. I never said anything about him being ANOINTED as the starter. My tone was that when he was playing for KC, you had to account for him. The Dolphins didn't and almost got beat. Do you think that Parcells or Sparano WASN'T impressed with what they saw that day? Obviously, they were.

If Edwards would have kept his job, Thigpen would still be in KC with Croyle as a number two or shipped somewhere to Siberia. Speaking of bad quarterbacks, how come Croyle gets a pass when Brady Quinn doesn't?

And if they didn't still didn't have doubts about Henne, they never would have picked up Thigpen. Herman Edwards got caught in a bad situation because he wanted to make the team younger and he did only for Haley to bring in Zach Thomas and Mike Vrabel.

Well, I assume that people who watch the NFL knew that Croyle and Huard were hurt but when they were QB'ing nothing happened.  Do you think that KC was gonna pay Croyle all that money to sit on the bench? Damon Huard was on his last legs anyway.

And this should make Miami fans hot under the collar. Damon Huard was not the answer when Marino retired. That was just Marino sticking up for his buddy that held his golf clubs.

You won't find anywhere in this post where I said that he (Thigpen) was anointed the starter FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON. My post mentioned nothing about WHEN he took over but his effectiveness when he was quarterbacking the Chiefs.
The Dolphin regime is doing some strange things in the player personnel department. I don't think Henne is the long term solution behind center. To me, he motivates NO ONE. Now if I'm wrong next year, I will personally write a letter and send him some flowers to team headquarters in Davie.

Really then you didn't say this? 

Hordman,

I know its hard for you to believe but Chad Henne is an average quarterback. He stares down receivers and he has NO mobility. You can only run a limited set of plays with him as quarterback.

There is a reason why Parcells made the deal for Thigpen. You have to remember that Thigpen beat out a first round draft pick in KC (Brodie Croyle) that was supposed to be the future QB. Thigpen was the odd man out in KC because they had Croyle and Cassel making "starters" money.
Last year in KC, Thigpen had no offensive line and only one receiver, Dwayne Bowe and a declining Larry Johnson. He pulled off some upsets (almost beat Miami in -25 degree wind chill) and scared the heck out of some teams. He's fast for a quarterback and can throw on the run. Henne can't do that.

Thigpen has a deep ball and TOUCH. You can run various formations with him. Go back and look at two plays (the big gain to Fasano and the throw to Bess).

The interception to Ginn happened because Ginn ran the pattern too deep which I alluded to in another forum post. On a lot of Henne's throws to receivers made him look good (with the exception of Ted Ginn Jr.)

Henne will be slotted as the number 1 QB but if he falters next year, they will not hestitate to put Thigpen in

More B.S.. Ramblings from Ethurst..Blah,Blah Blah.....You deleted your account,and failed to respond....when I brought it up the first time,justify it anyway you want....2008 was Dwayne Bowe's Best Season as a Pro, 86 catches 1022 yards, 7 Td's.Only Second to the HOF TE (That in Your original Post you failed to mention, but in this post you say he was being "Phased out") Lead the team with 96 catches 1058 10 Td's...

So let's see recap,the Dwayne Bowe isn't the receiver he is today...You're Right, he was better back then! Tony Gonzalez was being phased out,yet he was the leading receiver on the team....

Now what did I say?

[Phishfan]

Phish,

Go to NFL.com and watch the tape of that throw.

If you were a betting man, would you put your money on Ginn running the wrong pattern or not? Any takers? We're not exactly talking about Jerry Rice.

I have seen the throw. It was right to Ginn, but short and with two defenders on him. It is pure conjecture on your part.

[ethurst22a]

Really then you didn't say this? 

More B.S.. Ramblings from Ethurst..Blah,Blah Blah.....You deleted your account,and failed to respond....when I brought it up the first time,justify it anyway you want....2008 was Dwayne Bowe's Best Season as a Pro, 86 catches 1022 yards, 7 Td's.Only Second to the HOF TE (That in Your original Post you failed to mention, but in this post you say he was being "Phased out") Lead the team with 96 catches 1058 10 Td's...

So let's see recap,the Dwayne Bowe isn't the receiver he is today...You're Right, he was better back then! Tony Gonzalez was being phased out,yet he was the leading receiver on the team....

Now what did I say?

Well heres the link to what KC writers knew that obviously no one else did. He LOOKED better than Huard and Croyle in training camp but as always POLITICS (which some of you guys don't understand that goes on in football) came into play. He was actually the best quarterback on the roster.

http://deadspin.com/5082003/suddenly-tyler-thigpen-is-so-much-more-than-just-a-skeleton+molesting-nobody?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+deadspin%2Ffull+%28Deadspin%29

And no, I haven't deleted my account. I was gone for a while and had to concentrate on other stuff which most people have lost the art of concentration.

And everybody knew that Gonzalez wanted out of KC. Why do you think he's with the Falcons? And as far as Dwayne Bowe goes, he dropped a lot of balls that year and even cost them a game. His numbers could have been DOUBLE of the output that he had that year had he held onto the ball.

1000 yards IS NOT a big accomplishment these days running or receiving the ball because of the rule changes. It was back in the 1970s. You could gain 1000 yards behind an average line or with an adequate QB catch the ball for 1,000 yards.

Go back and review Thigs season in KC. He was projected to be the starter for the next year if Edwards WAS NOT fired but Haley bought in Cassel and it's the same old political BS.

Look, you guys can go back and forth but the point is, he's a better quarterback than Henne and you'll see next year when Henne has a full season to blow up right in front of Dolphin fan faces. I think I'll call Steve DeBerg in and Miami may have a better shot.

Someone mention about the receivers dropping balls. The Miami receivers (with the exception of Ted Ginn) has good hands. You'd drop a ball too if you ran a five and out and it was throw 95mph. There were many times that the Miami receivers BAILED Henne out.

[ethurst22a]

Before you guys anoint Henne as the next Dan Marino, there is someone on the roster BETTER than Henne...

I have a question for you guys: Name a first-year starting quarterback who accounted for more touchdowns than Super Bowl-winning veteran Ben Roethlisberger or standout rookies Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan last season? Here’s another one: Of all the players who ran the ball at least 50 times last season, who led the NFL in yards per carry?

So, let’s go back to the beginning here, a very good place to start.

Thigpen was thrust into duty after the Chiefs’ other quarterbacks went down with season-ending injuries. He ended up accounting for 22 touchdowns (18 passing, three rushing and one receiving) in just 11 starts for a 2-14 team that had some deep flaws. Roethlisberger, a $100 million QB, won a Super Bowl with help from the game’s best defense and accounted for 19 TDs (17 passing, two rushing) in 16 starts.

So Thigpen, as a second-year pro with no prior experience and a last-place roster around him, threw for 2,608 yards and 18 TDs with 12 interceptions in the first 11 starts of his career. And Roethlisberger, already fully polished and with a Super Bowl-quality roster around him, threw for 3,301 yards and 17 TDs with 15 interceptions in 16 games. Hmm, interesting. And Roethlisberger had as many turnovers as Thigpen did scores.

OK. In no way am I trying to say Thigpen is remotely the QB and playmaker that Big Ben is (nor could anyone expect him to be), but tell me this kid might not be worth a shot at being better than most teams’ current backup passer. (Personally, I think he’s a heck of a lot better than Croyle, for one, but I’m obviously not running any NFL teams). Hang with me here.

Ryan, the third overall pick in the 2008 draft, won the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award, had the league’s best running game and a stout Falcons defense behind him, and he accounted for 17 total TDs in 16 starts. Flacco also was a first-round pick in 2008, started 16 games for a Ravens team with the league’s second-best defense and a robust running attack, and he accounted for 16 total TDs.

Let’s take it a little deeper. Well, Jason, you dope, the Chiefs stunk and Thigpen just put up a bunch of meaningless numbers while chasing teams in the second half of games, right?

Not so fast. The Chiefs either led entering the fourth quarter, led in the fourth quarter or were tied entering the fourth quarter in seven of Thigpen’s final 10 games. If anything, questionable play-calling, a horrid running game and an atrocious defense conspired against the young QB.

Overall, could Thigpen be better in the fourth quarter? Sure, he had a 62.0 rating and completed just 50 percent of his passes (four fourth-quarter TDs to four fourth-quarter interceptions isn’t that bad, though). This was a kid from a small school thrust into emergency starts with little coaching, and as we know, inexperienced passers tend to have issues late in games. Thigpen also was sacked 11 times on just 123 fourth-quarter pass attempts, so a suspect offensive line and lack of any sort of competent defense didn’t make things any easier on him.

Well, what about Thigpen completing just 55 percent of his passes and throwing 12 interceptions in just 14 games? Neither is ideal, no doubt. But let’s look at his offensive weapons. Dwayne Bowe and Devard Darling were his starting receivers. It wasn’t exactly the sure-hands crew. Besides having perennial Pro Bowl TE Tony Gonzalez, this kid was on his own.

As I said, Thigpen is raw and has some flaws, so coach him up (he was the first quarterback in Coastal Carolina history for goodness sake, with the program starting in 2003) and help him with film study and fundamentals. There is plenty to work with there.

This kid is incredibly fast — on his runs, he was almost never tackled by someone in the front seven. You can’t tell me he’s not one of the 64 best QBs out there, and given his skills and speed, he definitely could be someone who could help in the Wildcat. At 6-foot-1 and 224 pounds, Thigpen can take a hit.

You can read the ENTIRE article at http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/27/a-case-for-tyler-thigpen/

Henne had more talent around him on offense than that Kansas City team that had NO TALENT and a disgruntled Larry Johnson at RB.

[bsfins]

Well heres the link to what KC writers knew that obviously no one else did. He LOOKED better than Huard and Croyle in training camp but as always POLITICS (which some of you guys don't understand that goes on in football) came into play. He was actually the best quarterback on the roster.

http://deadspin.com/5082003/suddenly-tyler-thigpen-is-so-much-more-than-just-a-skeleton+molesting-nobody?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+deadspin%2Ffull+%28Deadspin%29

And no, I haven't deleted my account. I was gone for a while and had to concentrate on other stuff which most people have lost the art of concentration.

And everybody knew that Gonzalez wanted out of KC. Why do you think he's with the Falcons? And as far as Dwayne Bowe goes, he dropped a lot of balls that year and even cost them a game. His numbers could have been DOUBLE of the output that he had that year had he held onto the ball.

1000 yards IS NOT a big accomplishment these days running or receiving the ball because of the rule changes. It was back in the 1970s. You could gain 1000 yards behind an average line or with an adequate QB catch the ball for 1,000 yards.

Go back and review Thigs season in KC. He was projected to be the starter for the next year if Edwards WAS NOT fired but Haley bought in Cassel and it's the same old political BS.

Look, you guys can go back and forth but the point is, he's a better quarterback than Henne and you'll see next year when Henne has a full season to blow up right in front of Dolphin fan faces. I think I'll call Steve DeBerg in and Miami may have a better shot.

Someone mention about the receivers dropping balls. The Miami receivers (with the exception of Ted Ginn) has good hands. You'd drop a ball too if you ran a five and out and it was throw 95mph. There were many times that the Miami receivers BAILED Henne out.

Umm that's your answer this Bullshit?  yeah go back to the Birther stuff.......and an opinion article from deadpsin? OMG this shit? Ok thanks for playing,this isn't even arguing...Ethurst wouldn't know a fact if it fell on his face and started to wiggle....

[EDGECRUSHER]

Thigpen does seem like he deserves another chance as a starter, but he is in a bad spot because Henne did a very nice job at QB last year as a rookie. I repeat, AS A ROOKIE. If he is still posting these numbers in 2011, then he should be replaced. However, seeing as how our receiving corps is filled with number 2's and possession receivers, he should be given every chance to succeed.