Bush to lose Heisman

[Pappy13]

Sometimes you have to break the rules in order to change them.

Well until the rule changes, then I'm of the opinion that breaking them is cheating.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Well until the rule changes, then I'm of the opinion that breaking them is cheating.

There is an NFL rule regarding the color of ones chin strap.  (Ochocinco has been fined TWICE for breaking this rule)
Is this rule breaking cheating?

My point is not all rule breaking gives you an actual on field advantage.   

[StL FinFan]

You are talking about chin strap color vs buying off a player to go to a certain school.  Apples and oranges.  He accepted money.  He knew it was against the rules.  He got caught and now he has to pay.

[Phishfan]

And if the Dolphin's don't tamper with the Colts head coach in 1969, then do they win the superbowl in '72?  At some point the butterfly effect is just bs. 

I doubt they do so using that example really isn't a good one. You can think the Butterfly Effect might be BS but it doesn't change the fact that when variables change so do outcomes. I don't think saying it is out of the question to say things could have happened very differently in Southern California had Bush not been taking money.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I doubt they do so using that example really isn't a good one. You can think the Butterfly Effect might be BS but it doesn't change the fact that when variables change so do outcomes. I don't think saying it is out of the question to say things could have happened very differently in Southern California had Bush not been taking money.

And things may have turned out differently in Miami and in Baltimore if the Dolphins didn't tamper.  Bush still ran for those yards. 

[Spider-Dan]

Let's try to use some common sense here.

Saying that "cheating is cheating" means that if the third string QB (that never stepped on the field) spent more than 8 total hours in any single week studying his playbook, oops, sorry Alabama, you have to forfeit your National Title because Rules Are Rules.

Attempting to divorce the rule broken from its impact on the field is absurd.  You can make butterfly-effect arguments for literally any broken rule: player A substituted a powderpuff class in homeopathy for one of his required natural science courses in high school, which then gave him more time to practice football, which made him a better practice competitor by the time he got to college, which pushed Tim Tebow to compete harder to beat him in practice, which led to Tebow winning the Heisman and QBing Florida to a pair of titles.

If you want to start stripping away Heismans after the fact, Reggie Bush should be nowhere near the front of the list.

[Phishfan]

Saying that "cheating is cheating" means that if the third string QB (that never stepped on the field) spent more than 8 total hours in any single week studying his playbook, oops, sorry Alabama, you have to forfeit your National Title because Rules Are Rules.

It is 20 hours during season and 8 hours in offseason and that is only for "required" and/or "supervised" activities, so studying the playbook is not a violation. Accepting money on the other hand is.

[Pappy13]

There is an NFL rule regarding the color of ones chin strap.  (Ochocinco has been fined TWICE for breaking this rule)
Is this rule breaking cheating?

Yes.  I think Cincinnatti should have to give up their SB ring....uh well....if they had won one.

Definition of cheating: to violate rules or regulations. 

So yes Ochocinco is in fact cheating.  There are different penalties for cheating.  Ochocinco was fined, it doesn't cost them any games.  Bush's cheating results in ineligibility.

Sure there are different levels of cheating, but yes they are all cheating.  I'm not a fan of Ochocinco breaking the rules, but if he's okay with the consequences that's his business.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Bush has said he is giving it back.

[Pappy13]

Bush has said he is giving it back.

The tropy or the money he took? 

[Phishfan]

Not the money. That is how the story broke. The "agent" wanted to get his money back so he spilled the beans when Bush denied him.

[MikeO]

Accepting money is cheating because he then becomes a "paid professional athelte" on the field competiting against "student-athletes"

There is a HUGE difference.


When Bush scored vs SF last night he should have struck the Heisman pose in the endzone!!!

[mecadonzilla]

I'm glad that punk ass cheater got what was coming to him.  No Heisman and a broken leg in the same week...I'll drink to that.