Randy Moss to Vikings?

[Pappy13]

Sure on that? Seems that if Ochocinco or TO did this, everyone would be saying its "cancerous to the locker room".


http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5655198&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5655198

Ok, I'm sure it had a "little" to do with it, but remember that Randy was upset from the beginning of the year that the Pats wouldn't make a commitment to him.  Bill has been pondering the future of the Pats and Randy for a long time.

[MikeO]

He had not been a locker room cancer up until now.  Why would he all the sudden become one?  I do think his comments about not being a Patriot next season hastened this deal.

Because he wants a new contract. He is in the final year of his deal and he wants some security. Not playing knowing 1 injury and he is screwed. And once the trade deadline passes without a new team or a new contract the "OLD" randy mos was going to appear causing trouble

[MikeO]

So is Brandon Tate the new starter opposite Welker?  He may have a lot of upside, but is he really a replacement for Moss?

I can see long term this is a good move for New England, but short term, this could make them a markedly weaker offensive team...and I'm just fine with that.   

don't be shocked when they package a few of their many picks to get Vincent Jackson

[Pappy13]

Here ya go.  See if this doesn't convince you that Moss was being phased out this whole year.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/19568/patriots-o-moved-away-from-randy-moss

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Here ya go.  See if this doesn't convince you that Moss was being phased out this whole year.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/19568/patriots-o-moved-away-from-randy-moss

I think it goes back further than that. 

Randy was great, both as a player and teammate in 2007.  You could not ask for anything more.

But things changed in 2008 when Brady got injured.  While other players on the offense were rallying behind Matt  and supporting him, Randy was less than an ideal teammate and considered the season over.  While he did come around I doubt BB has forgotten or forgiven Randy's lack of leadership.

In 2009 he was not by any stretch a full blown cancer, but he wasn't exactly a team leader either.

And he started grumbling at the beginning of this pre-season.  BB won't keep a diva or a me 1st player.

[Pappy13]

^^ Ok, but even if you think he's a diva you don't quit using him if you think he can help win games.  The fact is that NE is 3-1 and they were phasing Moss out of the gameplan and phasing in the TE's.  Maybe BB thought he could live without Moss even before the season started and after going 3-1 he decides he's right.  That's when you pull the trigger.  I still don't believe it had anything to do with his character, it has to do with winning ballgames which is all that BB cares about. He lived with Moss for a couple years, he could have lived with him till the end of the year if he wanted to or more importantly if he needed to.  He didn't.

[Spider-Dan]

BB won't keep a diva or a me 1st player.

You mean like Mike Vrabel?  Or Adam Vinatieri?  Or Lawyer Milloy?  Or Ty Law?  Or Richard Seymour?  Or Logan Mankins?

You act as if being a solid, standup player means that NE's brass will treat you with dignity and respect.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

You mean like Mike Vrabel?  Or Adam Vinatieri?  Or Lawyer Milloy?  Or Ty Law?  Or Richard Seymour?  Or Logan Mankins?

You act as if being a solid, standup player means that NE's brass will treat you with dignity and respect.

Patriots tried to resign Adam Vinatieri, Adam wanted to play in a dome.

Law, Milloy, & Vrabel were all too expensive capwise for their relative team contribution going forward.

Mankins was offered the highest RA tender of $3.26 million and is holding out.  Mankins also asked to be traded.  As not a single of the other 31 teams have expressed any interest in trading for Mankins, nobody else in the league apparently thinks he is worht more than $3.26 million either. 

Seymour was acting up.  That is why he got traded.

[Spider-Dan]

Patriots tried to resign Adam Vinatieri, Adam wanted to play in a dome.

When did they "try" to resign him?  After his contract was up?

Law, Milloy, & Vrabel were all too expensive capwise for their relative team contribution going forward.

...i.e. the team felt it was in their best interest to dump them, regardless of their behavior.  Which was my whole point.

Mankins was offered the highest RA tender of $3.26 million and is holding out.

Read: he was not offered a new long-term contract.  His trade request came after NE started dicking him around.  Again, just because you are a quiet little soldier who toes the company line, do not think that such behavior will have the slightest impact in whether or not Belichick decides to screw you.

Seymour was acting up.  That is why he got traded.

Acting up over what?  There's a common theme here.

Players who complain about their contracts get dicked.
Players who don't complain about their contracts... still get dicked.
So why act like it's Moss' behavior that's the cause of his treatment?  NE doesn't care about players not named Brady.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Read: he was not offered a new long-term contract.  His trade request came after NE started dicking him around.  Again, just because you are a quiet little soldier who toes the company line, do not think that such behavior will have the slightest impact in whether or not Belichick decides to screw you.

How is offering a player $3.26 million dollars that nobody else wants dicking him around?  When the Dolphins offered Wes Welker a lowball RFA one year deal instead of a long term contract, another team jumped in and offered him a long term deal.  If Mankins is really worth a long term deal and more than $3.26 million dollars why haven't the Dolphins or another team called up the Patriots and said, "hey we will give you a 3rd round pick for the rights to Logan?"   Maybe because nobody thinks his play is worthy of a long term deal at the dollars Mankins wants.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0dCd8-4Skw

[Spider-Dan]

How is offering a player $3.26 million dollars that nobody else wants dicking him around?

If you think nobody else wants Mankins, watch what happens if/when he's released.

The point I'm getting at is that even if you are a model employee, NE will treat you exactly as if you were a cancerous diva; they will use you up and toss you aside at the first moment of convenience.  They have a firmly established history of doing so.  So why pretend that only the problem children get bounced?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

  So why pretend that only the problem children get bounced?

I am not pretending only problem children get bounced. However, one thing is clear...problem children do get bounced and sooner rather than waiting until later when the damage has already been done. 

The reason why this player got bounced was he had become a problem child.