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« on: March 19, 2012, 08:48:50 am »

I posted the whole article but this quote kind of sums it up for me ...It's absolutely amazing how much failure the Dolphins have endured in the last 10 years. And the way this year is beginning -- losing out on Fisher, Manning and Flynn -- I'm amazed that Ross is putting up with it without blowing a gasket.

Very interesting note is that Wayne really wanted Brees instead of Culpepper. What could have been?

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In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi (sort of), "What the hell's going on down there?!"

In Miami, I mean.

In the last 10 years this franchise has been the most luckless, clueless, hapless club. To wit:

Head coaches (seven): Dave Wannstedt, Jim Bates, Nick Saban, Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Todd Bowles and now Joe Philbin.

Starting quarterbacks, minimum four starts (13): Jay Fiedler, Ray Lucas, Brian Griese, A.J. Feeley, Gus Frerotte, Daunte Culpepper, Joey Harrington, Cleo Lemon(!), Trent Green, John Beck, Chad Pennington, Chad Henne and now, evidently, Matt Moore. Unless they sign Alex Smith this morning, and if so, Smith would be in line to be the 14th starting quarterback in the last 11 seasons.

Offensive coordinators (seven): Norv Turner, Chris Foerster, Scott Linehan, Mike Mularkey, Dan Henning, Brian Daboll and now Mike Sherman.

Defensive coordinators (six): Jim Bates, Richard Smith, Dom Capers, Paul Pasqualoni, Mike Nolan and now Kevin Coyle.

The most bizarre moves, and aftermaths, of the last decade of Miami Dolphins football -- actually, decade plus 11 days, considering that the Dolphins traded for Ricky Williams 10 years and 11 days ago:

1. The ridiculous inability to find, develop and decide on a quarterback who could be even half as good as Dan Marino. Miami, in the last 10 years, has traded a seven for Rosenfels, a two for Feeley, a two for Culpepper, a six for Lemon, a five for Green, and used a two to draft Beck and another two to draft Henne. None is on the team anymore. None became a shadow of Marino. And Sunday, when Matt Flynn chose Seattle over Miami as the prize of a thin free-agent quarterback crop, it left the Dolphins scrambling and reconsidering how aggressively to go after Alex Smith. Or hope Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M would be there with the eighth pick in the first round on April 26. Or play with Matt Moore. Not very good options.

2. The ill-fated hiring of Nick Saban. He was supposed to turn the Dolphins around, and be the head coach for life, when Wayne Huizenga hired him early in 2005. He went 15-17, made a horrendous quarterback decision and skulked off to Alabama after denying 613 times he'd go back to college football.

3. The one you've all forgotten. Two days apart in early 2007, soon after Saban skulked off to Alabama (can't use that phrase enough), Miami interviewed two coordinator prospects -- among others -- to succeed Saban. The Dolphins favored offensive coordinator Cam Cameron of San Diego over Minnesota defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin. Cameron got the Miami job. Tomlin got the Pittsburgh job. Cameron went 1-15 and got fired. Tomlin went 10-6, won the AFC North and is 55-25 since, with a Super Bowl win.

4. Trades that stunk. Ricky Williams came in 2002 for two first-round draft picks and gave the Dolphins two terrific seasons -- and five lousy ones, and one-and-a-half suspended ones. Wes Welker was made a restricted free agent in 2007, and the Patriots stole him for second- and seventh-round draft picks. Those two picks turned into one season of center Samson Satele before he was dumped to Oakland for a sixth-rounder the next year. I'd call the Brandon Marshall trade (for two second-rounders in 2010) a debacle, but they did regain two third-rounders this year. They wasted two second-rounders on quarterbacks who barely had cups of coffee in Miami -- Feeley and Culpepper.

5. Drew Brees. Saban chose Culpepper over Brees in March 2006 because Brees was rehabbing major shoulder surgery. Ten months later, Saban skulked off to Alabama, and the 1-15 Dolphins of 2007 played with Lemon, Green and Beck. Funny thing, as I wrote a couple of months ago: On the night Miami had to make the decision which way to go on Brees or Culpepper, owner Wayne Huizenga was out to dinner with a friend and said. "I want them to sign Brees. They want Culpepper.'' Huizenga got a call on his cellphone and walked outside. When he came back inside the restaurant, Huizenga said his football people were insistent that Culpepper, for reasons monetary and football and health, was a better choice than Brees. "I told them, they're the football guys, not me,'' said Huizenga. But the owner repeated that if it were up to him, he'd have signed Brees. Miami is 37-59 since, with no playoff wins.

Clearly, when Huizenga brought in Bill Parcells, who imported Jeff Ireland from the Cowboys, he didn't expect the disastrous personnel run that has ensued. (And the man who bought the Dolphins from Huizenga, Stephen Ross, didn't expect Ireland to ask Dez Bryant the sordid question about his mother's occupation in the run-up to the 2010 draft either.) The Ross-Ireland daily double has failed to lure Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher, and has failed to land Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn either.

When I was talking to Flynn Sunday night about why he chose the Seahawks, he must have repeated three or four times how much he liked the feeling he got from the Seahawks' coaches and front office people when he was in Seattle. He wouldn't say anything negative about Miami; he is very fond of his former offensive coordinator in Green Bay, Philbin. But clearly Flynn felt the love more in Seattle than in Miami.

It's absolutely amazing how much failure the Dolphins have endured in the last 10 years. And the way this year is beginning -- losing out on Fisher, Manning and Flynn -- I'm amazed that Ross is putting up with it without blowing a gasket.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/03/19/signings/index.html#ixzz1pZAuKvyg
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2012, 08:58:41 am »

I know Ross likes Ireland, but I have to think that the Dolphins get a new GM if 2012 is the spectacular flop it's shaping up to be.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2012, 10:33:57 am »

Awesome read. Not to mention this is all to be continued.
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2012, 12:16:54 pm »

Peter King is a human interest writer and doesn't have great insight on the nuts and bolts of these decisions.  He gets the benefit if hindsight in nearly everything he writes.

Nearly nothing in the article has anything to do with any of the people involved with the Dolphins now.  Why should I look back at moves other people made and blame our current people for the mistakes?
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2012, 03:16:23 pm »

Why should I look back at moves other people made and blame our current people for the mistakes?

No one said you should.

It's just an article about all the crap Miami's been through the last 10 years.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 03:24:27 pm »

Peter King is a human interest writer and doesn't have great insight on the nuts and bolts of these decisions.  He gets the benefit if hindsight in nearly everything he writes.

Nearly nothing in the article has anything to do with any of the people involved with the Dolphins now.  Why should I look back at moves other people made and blame our current people for the mistakes?

Because it shows a history of ineptitude and bad decisions with no signs of changing anytime soon. That is why it is important to look back to see if we are moving forward or just doing the same old stupid crap as before.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2012, 05:16:04 pm »

All comes down to 1 thing. The QB.

No coach (even Saban or anyone Parcells hired) can win without a QB. The 1 year we had a decent QB (Pennington) they won.

This franchise (and the majority of its fans back them up on it), are so friggin afraid to spend any money or a high draft pick on a QB its unreal. Rolling with 2nd tier guys and this is what you get. There is nothing to lose by "going for it" on a big name QB. Trade away 3 first round picks. Overpay for a free agent QB who has had success. What is there to lose? We stink anyway! Go from being bad to being bad!

Even Matt Flynn, who knows if he is any good. But the dude got a contract from Seattle where the team takes on little to no risk and after one year they can cut him and have a small cap hit and after 2 years they can cut him and have NO cap hit, and Miami was afraid to even do that. It has become silly!
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 06:10:36 pm »

^^^The other side of that coin, though, is if you give up 3 # 1 picks and a bunch of cash for a QB that ends up not performing, then you've long-term crippled your team for elite prospects.

If Philbin can pull a 10-6 or 11-5 rabbit out of his hat with a caretaker at QB (like Harbaugh did last year), then the long-term outlook inproves.  If Ireland manages a solid draft, the long-term outlook improves.

Yes, I know SF went 13-3 last year.  I was referencing a relative level of success, not the exact record.
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2012, 06:23:01 pm »

^^^The other side of that coin, though, is if you give up 3 # 1 picks and a bunch of cash for a QB that ends up not performing, then you've long-term crippled your team for elite prospects.


Who cares, we suck anyways long-term. We have been bad for a decade! There is NOTHING TO LOSE!
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2012, 06:44:13 pm »

Here is the rub, I don't think you can never say there is nothing to lose based on past decisions. Just because Miami was bad doesn't mean that they will be in the same position in the next three years. I get your point and understand the frustration, but future crippling (In my opinion that means trading up for RG3 or Tannehill) cannot be justified by saying Miami had been bad previously.
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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2012, 06:45:39 pm »

I can live with trading an entire draft and 2 more first rounders to move up to get Luck or RG3. It may be grossly overpaying, but at least it's something different and shows they are willing to pay the price for a premier QB. They lowballed Flynn and never spend a real draft pick on a QB, but they want Pro Bowl QB production. It's nonsense.
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2012, 06:57:45 pm »

I can live with trading an entire draft and 2 more first rounders to move up to get Luck or RG3. It may be grossly overpaying, but at least it's something different and shows they are willing to pay the price for a premier QB. They lowballed Flynn and never spend a real draft pick on a QB, but they want Pro Bowl QB production. It's nonsense.

Exactly. And right now as we sit here if they are in Davie, FL and they all agree they "LIKE" Alex Smith enough to offer him $8 mill and match the SF offer and feel he can be productive for a few years and they can play him and make the playoffs and hopefully more if things break right, while they draft a Tannehil or Osweiler to groom and have waiting in the wings, then give him $9 or $9.5 mill a year. The walls aren't gonna burn down if they do that! They aren't gonna have to start cutting valuable starters or lay off office secretary's. It won't cripple them for years and years to come!

I would rather give someone like Smith an extra million or 1.5 mill then give an Art Hicks a $2 mill deal!!!
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2012, 07:01:49 pm »


I agree on the whole "gotta get a franchise QB" point, which is why I'm already hoping Miami has the ammunition to go after Barkley in next year's draft. If you want to build a team that can contend for a title every season, you get that top shelf QB, and then give him protection up front and playmakers to get the ball to downfield.

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2012, 07:07:00 pm »

^^^ It also helps when you don't keep hiring,coaches and front office staff,that believe ...They just need to run the ball and play good defense....

Modified to add...You have to make an effort to get a franchise QB,not hope one falls in your lap....
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