Rebranding: You buying it?

[MaineDolFan]

For some reason the quote feature isn't working.

Hoodie said:
"Isn't that how everyone is defined? 

If you apply for a job, they ask about your past.

If you run for office, you are elected based on what you did in the past.

Kids get into college based on what they did in the past (high school).

When you propose to someone to get married they say yes or no based on what you did on PAST dates. "

Sure, this is true.

What is ALSO true?  Second chances.  Are you the exact same person today as you were when you were 16? 

I mean, seriously?  Come on.  People can and do change.

My entire point with Spider is this:  He's painting this awful picture of Cinco.  He's that,  he's this, he's done that.  He's the reason we invaded Iraq, he's the worst person in the history of people.  We never should have gotten rid of Marshall if we were going to just sign Cinco.  Well, if we're going to air dirty laundry, how about airing all of it?  Because if we're going to compare apples to apples, Marshalls' are more spoiled at the end of the day, in the light of day.  Me, I don't give a crap.  I just want someone to catch the darn ball.

[Spider-Dan]

I'm not the one railing on and on about both, though, am I?  You're constantly bringing up one while leaving out the other.

No, I'm saying that if behavior issues are a valid reason to discard the best skill-position player on your offense, they damned well better be a valid reason to pass on an over-the-hill diva.

[MaineDolFan]

You and I both know it wasn't, though - no matter how much people want it to be.  The sky is blue, water is wet and the NFL (including the Dolphins) is full of bad dudes I wouldn't trust to park my car. 

It was about money and the cap.

[Spider-Dan]

Yeah, but that rationale isn't any better.  The Dolphins were getting what they were paying for from Marshall: a Pro Bowl (but not All-Pro) receiver who isn't going to score lots of TDs, but racks up plenty of production between the 20s.  He has always been that player.

[MikeO]

No, I'm saying that if behavior issues are a valid reason to discard the best skill-position player on your offense, they damned well better be a valid reason to pass on an over-the-hill diva.

Marshall was let go for 3 reasons, not just 1 (being behavior). It was a combination of things

1) Didn't live up to the contract and he was hurting the salary cap.
2) Lockeroom cancer. Couldn't get along with any QB's and was throwing the head coach, Off Coordinator, and WR coach under the bus in the press.
3) TONS of off the field issues and he was an embarrassment to the franchise.

It just came down to Brandon Marshall being a "bad person. " If he was an elite or the top 1 or 2 WR's in the game today, maybe you put up with it. But he isn't. And the Dolphins can come in 3rd or 4th place with or without him.

[BigDaddyFin]

I'll buy rebranding when the team starts winning consistantly again.  Otherwise, it's lip service and the lost decade will continue.

[MikeO]

I don't attach re-branding with winning. Winning helps, don't get me wrong. It's a short-cut to re-branding.  But the Fins can be re-branded by doing the little things better. Getting rid of the clown players who make headlines for stuff off the field (Ricky, Brandon..etc), put in a head coach who knows what the hell he is doing, having fans actually at the games, having DOLPHINS FANS actually at the games, having their GM not ask college players if their mom was a prostitute, have an owner try not to hire a head coach when he has one under contract, get rid of the stupid orange carpet (which they have thank god), and get rid of the .002% celebrity owners with interests in the team.

If they did that and went 6-10 as they are rebuilding, they would still be re-branding, be on the right path, change their image and shine a better light on themselves overall.

[Spider-Dan]

Let me ask you this:  what was the last losing team you can remember that had a successful "rebranding" effort while continuing to be a loser?

At the end of the day, there is only one kind of rebranding that matters.  If you win, you're a genius; if you lose, you're an idiot.

[MikeO]

Let me ask you this:  what was the last losing team you can remember that had a successful "rebranding" effort while continuing to be a loser?

At the end of the day, there is only one kind of rebranding that matters.  If you win, you're a genius; if you lose, you're an idiot.

Rebranding doesn't happen overnight and it goes beyond winning and losing. It is a process.  The 2010 Detroit Lions went 6-10 but won their last 4 games of the year. Including their first road win in like 3 years or something. The Lions had a losing year but ended on a positive note and you could tell they weren't the "Same Ole Lions" anymore. The rebranding started in 2010 during their losing season because they played hard all season, even in losses, were doing the "right things" in player moves and draft picks, hired a bright yougn coach who know what he was doing, and yes they began winning but it wasn't "just the winning".  And they took the next step by making the playoffs in 2011. It's a process and it isn't just "winning" or "losing."

[miamiwestchester]

I'll buy rebranding when the team starts winning consistantly again.  Otherwise, it's lip service and the lost decade will continue.

I couldn't agree more. Until we see wins, I will call BS on it all.

[miamiwestchester]

What has really changed for us to believe the outcome this year will be any different than most of this last 12 years ?

To me this year has more in common with 2007 than I would ever want to admit.

But be prepared DolFans

[BigDaddyFin]

What has really changed for us to believe the outcome this year will be any different than most of this last 12 years ?

To me this year has more in common with 2007 than I would ever want to admit.

But be prepared DolFans

It has  a lot in common with 2008 too.  Howsoever, it's not year one that's going to impress me.  We see repeatedly in the NFL that a new coach comes in, does a year one turnaround and the team goes right back to sucking again.  It's going to be sustained excellence that I'm looking for.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It has  a lot in common with 2008 too. 

Are you pinning your hopes for success on Tom Brady getting injured in the first quarter of the first game of the season?

[BigDaddyFin]

Are you pinning your hopes for success on Tom Brady getting injured in the first quarter of the first game of the season?

Cute.  For the record I'm pinning my hopes on a head coach who isn't a one hit wonder.  I don't have to pin my hopes on Tom Brady getting hurt because we actually have a pretty decent record against him considering how dominant they are and how bad Miami has been. 

My point was in both 2007 and 2008 we were bringing in entirely new staffs with everybody running around until the last minute figuring out which McQuarterback we were going to hire.  One resulted in a division title, one resulted in the worst season in franchise history.