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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2012, 11:22:51 am »

Sorry...which game has KC been up by 2 TDs in this year?
I was talking about KC's defense. When your opponent is up by 2 TD's they don't have to gain a ton of yardage at that point all they have to do is run the ball, take time off the clock and keep it away from your offense. I am of course speaking hypothetically, I really don't know how often KC has been down by 2 TD's this year, but I think you should understand the point, it's scoring that means a heck of a lot more than yardage when it comes to judging both an offense and a defense.

This is the same reason that I have been critical of Miami's defense the last couple of years. To me it's easier to hold the opposition to fewer points when YOUR offense isn't scoring many. The objective of the game is score more points than your opponent, how many more doesn't really matter. Therefore if your offense sucks, then your defense isn't really being pressed that hard by your opponent to score points. KC's defense, if they really were playing decently, should have been able to keep opponents from scoring 25 points a game, because their opponents didn't really NEED to score 25 a game when KC's offense is only scoring 13. To me that says that KC's defense wasn't really doing their part to keep the games close so that KC's offense might have a chance to win the game either.

As far as who I would replace, I haven't really thought about it and it's not really the point. The point is that I don't believe that 3 players on a defense that has played as poorly as KC's has played this year should be playing in the pro-bowl. I'm sure that if I used a reputable source for ranking how players have performed this year I could find some more worthy than these 3, they probably just wouldn't have the name recognition. That's just a guess though.
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2012, 12:04:42 pm »

As far as who I would replace, I haven't really thought about it and it's not really the point.

The title of the thread is "How does KC have 5 pro-bowl players?" It couldn't be MORE to the point. Unless there are 5 guys who are clearly better players than KC's (and we're actually down to three on the defense for your argument), I don't have a problem with the picks. Anyone who thinks Berry, Charles or Colquitt don't deserve to be there are homers for their own teams. -EK
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2012, 05:07:15 pm »

The title of the thread is "How does KC have 5 pro-bowl players?" It couldn't be MORE to the point.
And the first LINE of the thread was "And still suck as bad as they do?" If I could have fit the whole thing in the title I would have.

Anyone who thinks Berry, Charles or Colquitt don't deserve to be there are homers for their own teams. -EK
How apropos. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2012, 01:31:49 pm »

Look, unless you can come up with guys who are clearly better than the five they got in, it's an say answer to your question- even in its "longer" form.
Q: How does KC have 5 Pro Bowl players and only 2 wins?
A: Because the individual performances of those players has been better than their peers on other teams in spite of a poor team performance.

It really is that simple. If you can come up with replacements for all of those positions that are clearly better, then your argument makes sense: "They're 2-13 because they suck at every position, and these 5 guys didn't deserve to make the Pro Bowl with "XXX" outplaying them this year." That's what I've been asking for this while time. -EK
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2012, 03:48:01 pm »

Q: How does KC have 5 Pro Bowl players and only 2 wins?
A: Because the individual performances of those players has been better than their peers on other teams in spite of a poor team performance.

It really is that simple.
Ok, I'll accept that, but that's NOT what you had said previously.

Now I don't know if I agree with that, but at least that's plausible. Your argument that their offense was completely to blame for a 2-13 season is weak. Berry seemed to have been selected primarly because of his play last year and the tail end of this year as he was coming off an injury, but his season as a whole has not been that impressive. Here's a couple of articles that seem to agree with me and there are others.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1459031-nfl-pro-bowl-selections-2013-best-and-worst-choices-for-both-conferences

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458744-nfl-pro-bowl-roster-2013-teams-that-got-too-much-credit

I don't have a problem with Colquitt or Charles being selected, but the 3 on the defense in particular are a stretch. If you are going to insist that I pick some players, then I'll just go with the couple that have been mentioned above, Wesley Woodyard and Jairus Byrd. Yeah that works for me.
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2012, 04:40:27 pm »

I'm ok with that. At least you finally said someone. It took two pages. That's my beef with the "how did so and so get in" stuff: unless you have a better alternative, it's a dumb argument. -EK
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