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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2013, 05:38:34 am »



Still don't understand what happened to putting your arms around a guy and tackling him?

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2013, 03:49:24 pm »

I don't think they want to hurt anyone, but I do think they are purposely hitting them low knowing full well what could happen. If you don't believe that then you haven't been listening to what the players are saying because when asked they are claiming that is EXACTLY what they are doing and basically saying the league is to blame.
That's what I just said: defenders are hitting low even if it is more dangerous, because it's their job to get the opponent down.

You, however, said that defenders are hitting low with the hopes of causing injury to get the league to reverse the rule.  That's a huge difference.

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Still don't understand what happened to putting your arms around a guy and tackling him?
That's a nice slogan and all, but if you expect a 5'11" 185lb DB like Johnathan Joseph to tackle a 6'4" 230lb WR like Brandon Marshall (to say nothing of a 6' 230 RB like Arian Foster) by "putting his arms around him and tackling," that's not very realistic.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2013, 11:32:02 pm »

You, however, said that defenders are hitting low with the hopes of causing injury to get the league to reverse the rule.  That's a huge difference.
Technically I said "with the hopes a few injuries...", I never said THEY wanted to hurt anyone, just that they realize that there ARE going to be some injuries. They would rather it not be them, but if it so happens, well that's on the league not on them.

We are saying the same thing, I just think the players are less worried about someone from the other team getting hurt then you are. Remember that the league already had to put a stop to bounties on players. They didn't seem to have a problem with getting paid to hurt players from another team.

That's a nice slogan and all, but if you expect a 5'11" 185lb DB like Johnathan Joseph to tackle a 6'4" 230lb WR like Brandon Marshall (to say nothing of a 6' 230 RB like Arian Foster) by "putting his arms around him and tackling," that's not very realistic.
It's not a 1 on 1 game. There are 11 defenders and only 1 ball carrier. All you have to do is slow him down, the other 10 will bring him to the ground. That's how the game was played for decades before it became the norm to simply throw your shoulder into a guy's knees and HOPE that he goes down.
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 12:57:32 am »

Defenders have been launching into big upper body hits (instead of wrapping up with their arms) since they stopped wearing leather helmets.  The current rules just mean you have to aim lower.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 08:12:12 am »

I have to admit, I have to feel sorry that Gronk is injured like this.

Yeah he has burnt us many times, but he is a great player and also a fun character, a bit like Bernie Vince of the Adelaide Crows who got traded out this year to Melbourne. Sure they get up to a bit of naughty stuff off field (like being photographed partying with porn stars) but they're careful enough not to have anything really X rated out there (unlike our other local sports scallywags, Warnie & Wazza) or have done something really despicable or against the law.

Hopefully it's not to bad and he's able to resume his (football) career soon.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2013, 10:57:53 am »


That's a nice slogan and all, but if you expect a 5'11" 185lb DB like Johnathan Joseph to tackle a 6'4" 230lb WR like Brandon Marshall (to say nothing of a 6' 230 RB like Arian Foster) by "putting his arms around him and tackling," that's not very realistic.


It's not a 1 on 1 game. There are 11 defenders and only 1 ball carrier. All you have to do is slow him down, the other 10 will bring him to the ground. That's how the game was played for decades before it became the norm to simply throw your shoulder into a guy's knees and HOPE that he goes down.

I agree with Pappy. 

Would a rule requiring the same type of tackles we expect from Pee-Wee players and high school players change the NFL game?  Yes.

Would some claim adopting the same rules as Pee-Wee is wousification of the game?  Yes.

Would it make it even more offense friendly resulting in higher scoring games?  Yes

But....

Would it mean that NFL players come closer to being role models?  Yes, no more "how come we aren't allowed to tackle like that, that is how the pro's do it" from overly aggressive pee wee players. 

Would the game be safer?  Yes.

Plus, with the exception of very few fans, most fans prefer an offensive friendly games.  While some fans may have fond memories of the Green Bay Packers defeating the Chicago Bears 2-0 on October 16, 1932.  Most fans would take Arizona Cardinal/Green Bay Packers 51-45 on January 10, 2010 as a more exciting game than a great defensive struggle. 
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