Suh and the Dolphins

[MikeO]

The Suh contract breakdown is really interesting. Give Aponte and Tannenbaum credit, the one thing they do know how to do is manage a salary cap. 


2015: $985,000 (guaranteed)
2016: $23.5 million (guaranteed)
2017: $10 million (guaranteed)
2018: $17 million (non-guaranteed)
2019: $19 million (non-guaranteed)
2020: $8.36 million (non-guaranteed)

Cap hit:

2015: $6.1 million
2016: $28.6 million
2017: $15.1 million
2018: $22.1 million
2019: $24.1 million
2020: $8.36 million

[EDGECRUSHER]

I thought $60 Million was guaranteed? Those numbers don't add up to that.

[MikeO]

I thought $60 Million was guaranteed? Those numbers don't add up to that.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/03/11/ndamukong-suh-contract/70176778/

This better explains it for ya

[Sunstroke]

I'm going to jump in and say the comparison of Suck for Luck to the Beatles is a travesty.

Thanks...I was scratching my head at that one a little bit as well.

[suck for luck]

Both dumb ass names, pretty simple concept.

[masterfins]

The Suh contract breakdown is really interesting. Give Aponte and Tannenbaum credit, the one thing they do know how to do is manage a salary cap. 


2015: $985,000 (guaranteed)
2016: $23.5 million (guaranteed)
2017: $10 million (guaranteed)
2018: $17 million (non-guaranteed)
2019: $19 million (non-guaranteed)
2020: $8.36 million (non-guaranteed)

Cap hit:

2015: $6.1 million
2016: $28.6 million
2017: $15.1 million
2018: $22.1 million
2019: $24.1 million
2020: $8.36 million

Let's see if you feel the same way in a couple years.  Next year is a killer with a $28.6 M cap hit, if the Fins need to sign free agents they are in trouble.  Then after three years, Suh isn't gonna wanna play without a new guaranteed contract; and there will still be $12.75 million of dead cap hit money from his upfront bonus, for a player that may not be on our roster.  Only time will tell, but they certainly mortgaged their future on Suh.

[MikeO]

Let's see if you feel the same way in a couple years.  Next year is a killer with a $28.6 M cap hit, if the Fins need to sign free agents they are in trouble.  Then after three years, Suh isn't gonna wanna play without a new guaranteed contract; and there will still be $12.75 million of dead cap hit money from his upfront bonus, for a player that may not be on our roster.  Only time will tell, but they certainly mortgaged their future on Suh.

Actually no they aren't in trouble next year. They picked 2016 to take the huge hit for a reason, it wasn't just some random decision. Next year Wake takes a pay cut or is gone (probably gone)...Wallace if he isn't moved this year, will be gone. Mike Pouncey's cap number will be reduced this June or next year, so they will open up space there. And there are a few other contracts that will be off the books or guys gone (maybe Ellerbee) who will be taking a pay cut or be let go because of age or attitude.  They are taking that big Year 2 cap hit for a reason, they looked at this roster and at the guys who WON'T be here next year and decided to take the big hit then.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Not to mention they expect the cap to go up very high, perhaps another $10 Million.

[masterfins]

Actually no they aren't in trouble next year. They picked 2016 to take the huge hit for a reason, it wasn't just some random decision. Next year Wake takes a pay cut or is gone (probably gone)...Wallace if he isn't moved this year, will be gone. Mike Pouncey's cap number will be reduced this June or next year, so they will open up space there. And there are a few other contracts that will be off the books or guys gone (maybe Ellerbee) who will be taking a pay cut or be let go because of age or attitude.  They are taking that big Year 2 cap hit for a reason, they looked at this roster and at the guys who WON'T be here next year and decided to take the big hit then.

That's an overly optimistic view.  Yes the NFL cap will probably go up, but no one knows for sure by how much.  As things currently stand Suh will use up almost 19% of the Dolphins total cap.  Yes, players will be gone next year, but they need to be replaced, or do you think the Dolphins are only going to field 50 players??  From your posts in other threads you obviously don't give credence to the possibility that Miami is going to be drafting starting players at will, so they will need to sign FA's.  And if you want quality FA's, then Miami is going to have to pay, and any cap increase will go to higher player salaries throughout the NFL, so you can't count on that money just covering Suh's high cap hit, because other teams will be offering higher salaries to the FA's available.

[MikeO]

That's an overly optimistic view.  Yes the NFL cap will probably go up, but no one knows for sure by how much.  As things currently stand Suh will use up almost 19% of the Dolphins total cap.  Yes, players will be gone next year, but they need to be replaced, or do you think the Dolphins are only going to field 50 players??  From your posts in other threads you obviously don't give credence to the possibility that Miami is going to be drafting starting players at will, so they will need to sign FA's.  And if you want quality FA's, then Miami is going to have to pay, and any cap increase will go to higher player salaries throughout the NFL, so you can't count on that money just covering Suh's high cap hit, because other teams will be offering higher salaries to the FA's available.

It's not an optimistic view, its the actual view the team has or else they wouldn't have structured the contract that way.Fins are hoping to replace Wake with either Shelby or Jordan. That is the plan, will it work, who knows. They have a plan...will it work, wh oknows.

P.S..I didn't mention anything about the salary cap going up either, that had nothing to do with my point. Somebody else mentioned that.