Interesting Tua Conversation

[Dolphster]

I watched an interesting conversation on Good Morning Football on the NFL Network this morning.  They were talking about Tua.  The hosts conceded that Tua has not distinguished himself as definitively being the answer at QB for the Dolphins going into next year.  BUT, they also talked about how the Dolphins have sabotaged Tua from day one.  I know we have talked about it here, but it was interesting to see what knowledgeable outsiders who don't have fandom clouding their thinking thought about the situation.   They all agreed that it was bullshit for the Dolphins to publicly admit that they at least looked into trading for Watson and then coming back and saying "We believe in Tua."   On the show this morning they said, "No, they don't.  If you believe in your QB you don't talk to another team about their QB.  The Bengals didn't talk to Houston because the Bengals believe in their young QB.  The Chargers didn't talk to Houston because the Chargers believe in their young QB.  It is a lie and it is an insult and a confidence killer to Tua to talk to Houston and then say that you believe in Tua.  All that accomplished was to make sure that Tua has zero confidence."    And then they closed with a line that really made me think.  They said, "Even Jamarcus Russell got 3 years with the Raiders to prove whether he belonged or not."     Russell was one of the worst 1st round QBs in the history of football, and even HE got 3 years to prove himself.   

I'm not saying that Tua is the man.  I'm just saying that the Dolphins have not given him the time to see what he has and they most certainly haven't given him an OL that allows them to see what he has.  And they have neutered him from day one in how they have handled him.   Maybe Tua will never be a very good QB.  But I cringe at the thought of the Fins giving up on him prematurely and then seeing him move on and excel somewhere else. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

Did they factor in the stupidity of our front office? I'm not making a joke, you have to take into account how poorly we are run and what we have done to sabotage Tua from Day 1. Whether it be putting him behind an O-Line that broke his ribs this year or pulling him for Fitz in his rookie season. If the front office doesn't believe in him after 13 games, that speaks to how dysfunctional they are and not Tua.

[CF DolFan]

Did they factor in the stupidity of our front office? I'm not making a joke, you have to take into account how poorly we are run and what we have done to sabotage Tua from Day 1. Whether it be putting him behind an O-Line that broke his ribs this year or pulling him for Fitz in his rookie season. If the front office doesn't believe in him after 13 games, that speaks to how dysfunctional they are and not Tua.

If anyone should have learned about sabotaging a good QB it should be the Dolphins but nooo ... they still act like they don't get it. Tannehill continues to embarrass them almost every time he plays.

[Dolphster]

Did they factor in the stupidity of our front office? I'm not making a joke, you have to take into account how poorly we are run and what we have done to sabotage Tua from Day 1. Whether it be putting him behind an O-Line that broke his ribs this year or pulling him for Fitz in his rookie season. If the front office doesn't believe in him after 13 games, that speaks to how dysfunctional they are and not Tua.

Nah, it was just like a 3 minute segment and they didn't do a deep dive into all the other factors such as the front office as you rightly pointed out.  I just thought it was interesting that even though they are NFL experts, they are fairly far removed from the Dolphins, yet they came to a lot of the same conclusions that we have here on the board. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

Nah, it was just like a 3 minute segment and they didn't do a deep dive into all the other factors such as the front office as you rightly pointed out.  I just thought it was interesting that even though they are NFL experts, they are fairly far removed from the Dolphins, yet they came to a lot of the same conclusions that we have here on the board. 

To give up on a QB so publicly after 13 games would make you think his career stats are 4 TD and 29 INT. Every 1st round QB needs 3 years minimum, and then you can decide whether or not you pick up the 5th year option. Josh Allen sucked his rookie year, was okay in his 2nd year and was an MVP candidate in his third year. 14 games isn't even a full season. Seems like everyone in the world but our front office understands that.

Thank God the Panthers are going to send the world to Houston in the offseason for Watson. Then again, we are so dumb we might send two worlds.

[Spider-Dan]

I cannot think of any other instance in NFL history where an undefeated QB was pulled in the middle of a game due to poor performance.

Last season, Justin Herbert was trailing NE 38-0 in the fourth quarter and he was not pulled from the game.

[Dolfanalyst]

The Cardinals gave up on Josh Rosen after only one season, in favor of a QB who'd never taken an NFL snap.  If they'd have continued with Rosen they'd be mired near the bottom of the league right now.  Instead they're likely Super Bowl contenders.

This situation is entirely different.  You have a QB who, like Rosen, has never established the necessary level of play at the position on a consistent basis, whereas the alternative was a QB who's established himself as one of the best four or five in the league.

The Dolphins would've been fools not to determine the compensation needed to obtain Watson.  The likelihood that Tua will develop to Watson's level is small, even with optimal surroundings and backing by the organization.

Give Tua his dream surroundings and have the organization treat him like he's the best thing since sliced bread, and the chances he'll reach Watson's level are still small.

[Dolfanalyst]

If anyone should have learned about sabotaging a good QB it should be the Dolphins but nooo ... they still act like they don't get it. Tannehill continues to embarrass them almost every time he plays.

Even if one were to ignore Tannehill's average 2021 season, the fact still remains that a team is going to be correct in moving on from a QB like Tannehill far more often than it'll be wrong.

It's also the case that the Dolphins received comparatively little in trade for Tannehill, while the Titans initially paid him little and slated him as a backup.  So, again, even if one were to ignore that Tannehill has become average again, there was no team in the league that looked at Tannehill's performance with the Dolphins and said to themselves, "it's clearly the Dolphins' fault he's not playing better -- let's go get him and make him a starter with the surroundings he needs."

Not one of the 32 GMs in the NFL, all of whom had ample access to film of Tannehill's six seasons as a starter, made that determination about him.

So, I think we should refrain from automatically believing the Dolphins are approaching Tua mistakenly on the basis of only Tannehill.

[Pappy13]

The thing that kills me is all those that claim this is ruining Tua. So let me get this straight all it takes is NOT having confidence in a QB to ruin him now? If that's all it takes to ruin Tua, then I don't really think Tua has what it takes anyway. Tua seems to have confidence in himself and there was a time when all a guy needed was belief in himself to succeed.

I'll be honest and say that I think Tua looks 10 times better than he did last year and it won't be a lack of confidence from the Dolphins that determines whether or not he becomes a great QB, it will be up to Tua. He either has it or he doesn't. You want your team to have confidence in you Tua? Go play your ass off and they will have confidence in you. That's how things have always been and how things will always be. It's the QB's that get the vote of confidence from their team without doing anything to deserve it (other than being drafted by said team) that get into trouble more often than not.

[masterfins]

The thing that kills me is all those that claim this is ruining Tua. So let me get this straight all it takes is NOT having confidence in your QB to ruin him now? If that's all it takes to ruin Tua, then I don't really think Tua has what it takes anyway. Tua seems to have confidence in himself and there was a time when all a guy needed was belief in himself to succeed.

I'll be honest and say that I think Tua looks 10 times better than he did last year and it won't be a lack of confidence from the Dolphins that determines whether or not he becomes a great QB, it will be up to Tua. He either has it or he doesn't. You want your team to have confidence in you Tua? Go play your ass off and they will have confidence in you. That's how things have always been and how things will always be. It's the QB's that gets the vote of confidence from their team without doing anything to deserve it (other than being drafted by said team) that get into trouble more often than not.

Good to see you're starting to come around on Tua, Pappy.  I know he's still no Herbert, but at least it seems he's starting to get a little respect from you. lol

[Pappy13]

Good to see you're starting to come around on Tua, Pappy.  I know he's still no Herbert, but at least it seems he's starting to get a little respect from you. lol

His play is adequate, I'm still very fearful he's brittle as all getout and nothing that has happened in the year and half he's been with the Dolphins has changed my mind about that.

[Tenshot13]

His play is adequate, I'm still very fearful he's brittle as all getout and nothing that has happened in the year and half he's been with the Dolphins has changed my mind about that.

I can agree with that.  He's a young QB that is showing promise, but I worry about his durability.