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Spider-Dan
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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2021, 05:53:57 pm »

If the opposing team doesn't score, your QB could have the worst single game in history and you nonetheless can't possibly lose.
I don't think your QB could have "the single worst game in history" without a single pick-6, strip-sack-score, or safety.
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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2021, 08:31:08 pm »

Well, it doesn't explain why Brady's record in poor passer rating playoff games is so much better than the league norm, as was posted above.  What explains that is the Patriots' defense 2001-2019.
What it also explains is that analytics is only one part a multi faceted amalgam of factors that contribute to wins and losses in a football game.

Again, if you hold an opposing team scoreless (for example), you give your QB/offense a whole lot of leeway to play poorly and still win.
Thanks Captain Obvious.  What else are you going to amaze us with?  Maybe that if your RB gains 300 yards and both the starting QB and backup QB of the opposing team blow out their knees in the first quarter that your team has a statistically better chance of winning the game?  A lot of what you offer up is not dazzling statistical insight but merely common sense to anyone who has much knowledge about the sport of football.

This is why the 2021 Dolphins are so poor -- their pass offense and pass defense are poor.  If you play poorly with regard to the two strongest predictors of winning in the league, don't expect to have a good record.
Again, you really aren't amazing us by stating things that even someone who never watched a football game in their life would know. 
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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2021, 09:12:54 pm »

There are games that NE won because of Brady AND gams in spite of Brady playing poorly.


What I've been trying to explain for years is that

Most quarterbacks LOSE the games when they play poorly, so they don't have anywhere near as many chances to have those games where their teams win because of them

Brady often wins games in which he plays poorly, so he has FAR more chances to have games in which his team wins because of him.

Hence, it is not fair to compare quarterbacks by team stats, but this ESPECIALLY applies to Brady, because he is such a huge outlier.
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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2021, 10:35:14 pm »


What I've been trying to explain for years is that

Most quarterbacks LOSE the games when they play poorly, so they don't have anywhere near as many chances to have those games where their teams win because of them

Brady often wins games in which he plays poorly, so he has FAR more chances to have games in which his team wins because of him.

Hence, it is not fair to compare quarterbacks by team stats, but this ESPECIALLY applies to Brady, because he is such a huge outlier.

There may be confounds in team statistics applied to QBs, but make no mistake that Brady is easily one of the best QBs of all time with regard to more "individualized" statistics.  Consider that of the 32 QBs with at least 3650 regular season and playoff plays from scrimmage 2001 to 2021, Brady's number of expected points added (EPA) per play is behind only Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, two surefire first-ballot Hall of Famers.
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« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2021, 10:52:11 pm »

There may be confounds in team statistics applied to QBs, but make no mistake that Brady is easily one of the best QBs of all time with regard to more "individualized" statistics.  Consider that of the 32 QBs with at least 3650 regular season and playoff plays from scrimmage 2001 to 2021, Brady's number of expected points added (EPA) per play is behind only Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, two surefire first-ballot Hall of Famers.

Nothing about what you said contradicts my last post in any way whatsoever
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