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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2025, 09:51:56 pm »

We chose to pay Tua so everything kind of lives and dies by that decision.  He has to play, and play well, to make up for the other holes.  We will be a slow trickle of lost talent that we're going to have to make up with smart money.

Tua's contract in isolation isn't ridiculous. But throw in the other high guaranteed contracts we're already committed to, and it's trouble.

Immediately after Tua signed up, I said that it made Tyreek effectively unaffordable after 2024 - if we cut him after this season under the old contract, we would have saved something close to $60 million in cap space. Yet Grier restructured his contract to bring more money forward and basically guarantee it all.

If you check out the link to those Spotrac tables (and toggle the year from 2025 to 2026, 2027, etc) you will see the bulk of Waddle's cap hit kicks in from 2027. The cap hits for Tua and Ramsey sharply increase from 2026 to balloon in 2028.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2025, 12:12:23 pm »

None of it is ridiculous.  Prime QBs in the NFL cost a ton of money to stay in their city.  That's just the way it is.  You can either lean into it or cut bait.  We leaned into it, like so many teams do, and that's fine.  But it's a choice that has other repercussions.  You can't afford to do that and also better yourself at all these other positions.  So, the QB has to play and play great in order to succeed.  Tua has missed games, therefore it isn't working out.

I don't think this is a controversial take.  I love Tua.  I want him to play and I want him to play well and I think he's very good.  But if he doesn't stay healthy or doesn't play well, we kind of have no shot.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2025, 04:36:45 am »

None of it is ridiculous.  Prime QBs in the NFL cost a ton of money to stay in their city.  That's just the way it is.  You can either lean into it or cut bait. We leaned into it, like so many teams do, and that's fine.  But it's a choice that has other repercussions.  You can't afford to do that and also better yourself at all these other positions.  So, the QB has to play and play great in order to succeed.  Tua has missed games, therefore it isn't working out.

I'd say we didn't so much as lean into it, we jumped hard and we jumped early. We could have made him play out his rookie contract (this season), and we could have franchised him the year after that (next season). It's not unheard of - the Ravens did it with Jackson, and that hasn't hurt them one little bit.

Like I said earlier (and elsewhere, I think in the "Tua gets paid" thread), it's not a ridiculous contract. In isolation there's nothing wrong with it at all. It's fair value compared to other QB at a comparable skill level around the league that got paid...

But as you also mentioned there are consequences, and big ones at that because we maxed out the credit card with him on a rookie deal. We lost a lot of highly drafted players last offseason to bring his payday forward, and we are going to lose more the next couple of offseasons to pay the rest of his contract, along with huge cap hits of Tyreek (for at least next season whether he stays with us or not), and possibly Chubb and Armstead (if we don't do some effective renegotiation's, or cut them), then Ramsey from 2026 and Waddle from 2027.

Get ready to say goodbye to Holland and Kohu, then Achane, Phillips, Jonnu Smith, and probably Sieler when their contracts end. They're getting paid comparatively peanuts right now, and we won't have the money to keep them.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2025, 11:05:03 am »

Dolphins have overpaid on many contracts.  It almost appears that the Dolphins giveaway money so they can brag they have a top 5 paid QB, top paid we.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2025, 02:21:23 pm »

Dolphins thought they were very close to competing for a Championship, so they overpaid for some free agents.  Unfortunately Grier/McDaniel were wrong about Tua, wrong about the Oline, and injuries exasperated the issue.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2025, 04:59:34 pm »

Dolphins have overpaid on many contracts.  It almost appears that the Dolphins giveaway money so they can brag they have a top 5 paid QB, top paid we.
At the moment Tua signed his deal, he was the 3rd-highest paid QB, which became 4th-highest later that same day.  By the end of that offseason, Tua was 5th.

If the Dolphins' goal was to "brag they have a top 5 paid QB" then they didn't pay Tua nearly enough, because he won't be a "top 5 paid QB" even one year after his deal was signed.  They would have needed to give him Trevor Lawrence or Dak Prescott-type money if that was actually their goal.
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« Reply #21 on: Today at 09:33:46 am »

Dolphins will manipulate the salary cap and extend these big payments but they aren't going to be able to bring in enough talent to make much of a difference. Watching these playoffs its apparent we are an FCS team in a FBS league. Sure we can win once in a while but we won't be able to compete with the good teams most of the time.
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