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BigDaddyFin
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« on: March 09, 2008, 03:12:06 am »

I'm back.....

So I've been reading a lot of SI.com at work now that I'm back home.  I'm bored with the whole fucking thing.  I'll touch on Josh McCown later although if nothing else it's a decent signing.

Dear Bill Parcells,

Since we can't trade down which would have been nice given the whole fuckin team except Jason Taylor sucks, and whereas thou hath signed a bunch of serviceable blocking dummies to fill in some of the gaps until next year, I'd like to advocate us drafting Chris Long with the number 1 pick.  The more I see on the draft highlights and the more I read about this kid, the better feeling I get that he could well be the second coming of Jason Taylor.  He will fit in well with the "not 3-4" defense that's really a 3-4 defense that we'll be running.
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2008, 10:30:33 am »


Its not the #1 Pick I'm concerned about. I think Parcells and Company will pick a winner. Its that # 1 money that sucks. That's why the suckie teams stay suckie and the good ones stay competitive..........They manage the Cap way better picking value at a much more friendly Cap Number.  I'd like to trade that #1 for several Other draft picks because For the price of say 1 signed 1st overall pick of the draft you can have three or 4 signed #2's and 3's. If you draft well at those Numbers your team will be WAY better off and much quicker. And even if you miss on 1 or 2 its way better then having all your eggs in one basket.  Wink

Even if the Phins don't get the best trade they really should consider it. We need that Cap room to improve every year.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2008, 01:32:37 pm »

Its that # 1 money that sucks. That's why the suckie teams stay suckie and the good ones stay competitive..........They manage the Cap way better picking value at a much more friendly Cap Number.

It's not that I disagree with you about the "#1 money sucks", but if you can manage to get a star player, the money is actually quite well spent.

In the end, I think sucky teams stay sucky for reasons other than being "stuck" with the #1 pick.

If you look at recent #1s, the Bungals did quite well after grabbing Palmer at #1. From the worst team in football in 2002, they went 8-8 in 2003 (in a very weak division), 8-8 in 2004 (in a much stronger division), 11-5 in 2005 (and then it went downhill again, but the team is still in good shape). And this from a franchise that has historically been quite adept at sucking.

The Chargers in 2004 have done quite well as well, although I guess you really should count that #1 as the Giants, since they're the ones who had to foot the bill (and got the player). In any event, that's one heck of a team today. One won the Super Bowl, the other has been (and is) among the favorites to win ever since.

The Texans, who picked Mario Williams (over Reggie Bush) in 2006, are also a team on the rise. From the worst team in football in 2005, they went 8-8 in 2006 and again in 2007. Whether or not they make something of it, they are clearly a decent team - and, let's admit it, they're not exactly stuck in the easiest division in the league... (I would argue it's the strongest).

That pretty much leaves the 49ers of the most recent teams (rookie contracts are typically on the order of 5 years, so the "damage" should be the most significant over that period, probably even less), since it's too early to tell what the Raiders will do.

Suffice to say, I don't think you can blame the JaMarcus Russell pick on the Raiders sucking, if they indeed continue to do so. And even though Alex Smith doesn't seem like much of a #1 pick, that's hardly to blame for the 49ers consistently being stuck in the mud. At least, it's not nearly the only reason...
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2008, 02:53:29 pm »

Anyone else on this site think Vernon Gholston has more upside than Chris Long? I haven't heard any talk of Vernon going to the Dolphins, but he seems like a monster with inhuman levels of raw talent and athleticism.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 05:31:22 pm »

Anyone else on this site think Vernon Gholston has more upside than Chris Long? I haven't heard any talk of Vernon going to the Dolphins, but he seems like a monster with inhuman levels of raw talent and athleticism.
I dont know, i would rather take chris over vernon... did you even see the results at the combine??? chris is a beast!
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 05:46:51 pm »

I would take Chris Long at #1, but ultimately, I want a trade-down. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2008, 06:02:49 pm »

I know many disagree with me but I will stick with drafting Matt Ryan.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2008, 06:15:15 pm »

If the Dolphins take Matt Ryan #1, I will renounce my fanhood.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2008, 06:17:57 pm »

Here's the problem we have.

We have a #1 pick no one seems to be intrested (from what I've read) in dealing.

Most teams from what I hear will not take a defensive tackle #1 overall.  Aparently what it would cost you to sign the guy is way overpriced for what even the best defensive tackles in the game make.  We took Darryl Gardner at #20 in the first round.

I think that's why Parcells went out and got Jason Ferguson because he doesn't want to spend the kind of money for a DT a #1 overall would demand.  Plus he may think he can find one on the bench or in a later round.

You don't sign Josh McCown and then draft Matt Ryan, and they wouldn't have spent that money on a guard from SF (Rex Hadnot is ok but he's not exactly John Hannah) if he was going to take Jake Long OT (although I could see them trading down and still getting Jake Long)
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2008, 06:23:46 pm »

I see the Rams taking either Jake or Chris Long, so I wouldn't be so sure about availability if we trade down.  I see the Dolphins taking one of these guys and the Rams taking the other if no draft position trades are made.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 06:30:44 pm »

I see the Rams taking either Jake or Chris Long, so I wouldn't be so sure about availability if we trade down.  I see the Dolphins taking one of these guys and the Rams taking the other if no draft position trades are made.

I think that's the most likely scenario STL.

I left the door open because I can't really predict all the variables.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2008, 06:43:15 pm »

I know many disagree with me but I will stick with drafting Matt Ryan.
yeah i think qb is our most needed position!
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2008, 08:20:52 pm »

  I think that evrybody wants a trade down.  However, if we have to stay at number one, Chris Long is the only pick that's worth $35 million in guaranteed money.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2008, 08:42:01 pm »

Yes Miami does have an issue with the QB position, this a position Miami has never addressed since Marino left, and don't through Beck crap in there, he is not our future, neither is McCown. Let Parcells do his job and finally give Miami a Francise quarterback.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2008, 08:46:10 pm »

No on the QB...and what does Francis have to do with a QB?  Cheesy

Just for reference.
Yes Miami does have an issue with the QB position, this a position Miami has never addressed since Marino left, and don't through Beck crap in there, he is not our future, neither is McCown. Let Parcells do his job and finally give Miami a Francise quarterback.

I see alot of people having Matt Ryan falling like a rock in some mock drafts...something is scaring him away...I mean even Atlanta Resigned Joey Harrington (so they now have Chris Redmon,and D.J. Shockley also) Kind of gives me the impression,EVEN they aren't impressed with Ryan...

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