Evidence that John Beck is the WRONG ANSWER

[Slippery Soap]

Yes it is true in the video is not a fair assumption of his skills. But I had an angle I wanted and went with it. (Beck=Bust, Trade for Quinn or Draft Ryan)

Honestly I think Beck\'s problem is the speed of the game. His first 2 games against the eagles and steelers. The field conditions were horrible which slowed the game down a bit. In the Bills game it was cold and rainy but the Bills play on turf which made the speed much faster then the previous games. Against the Jets and Bengals it was a perfect day. Again I dont think he is used to the full speed of the NFL. I also think he should wear gloves. He seems to not be able to grip the ball.
well at times and has alot of problems with the shotgun snaps.

Despite all of that I am ready to bail on him and draft Matt Ryan no.1 or find a way to trade for Brady Quinn and draft Jake Long No.1 overall.

Even if we do not draft Ryan No.1 and we go with Chris Long. I still think our No.2 is going to be Chad Henne or Joe Flacco.

Anyway he slice the tuna Beck is Toast.

[Defense54]

While I think its an amusing Video........its hardly evidence of anything. You can collect all the bad plays of Any Quarterback out there and make a similar Video. As Mush As I hate that last admin. and as much as I believe the Dolphins missed out by not taking Quinn over Ginn..........I'm just not ready to throw the towel in on John Beck. He was put it in the worst weather conditions on the road with a horrible Team and coaching staff.  I'll give him a few more snaps this year in spring Training before I make any more judgements on the kid.

[Slippery Soap]

If we just went ahead and pulled the trigger on Matty Ice. Things would be alot different.

Let Matty, Beck and Josh battle it out in training camp.  Picking Chris Long is just dumb his only claim to fame is his dad. Plus we allready have a Chris Long on the team his name is Matt Roth the SICK FREAK GLADIATOR!

Matt Roth is an unstoppable force. His motor never turns off and he could learn to play linebacker.

[Brian Fein]

Your man-love for Matt Ryan is, quite frankly, disturbing....

[StL FinFan]

Your man-love for Matt Ryan is, quite frankly, disturbing....

I thought it was just me.

[Slippery Soap]

Whats wrong with Matty Ice?

Everyone seems to think he is a franchise QB. Why cant you guys see that. Rivals.com has the Fins taking him No.1

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=775564

Might as well get used to it.

ICE ICE BABY STOP QUARTERBACK A BIT AND LISTEN MATTY ICE IS HERE FOR A REASON. JOHN BECK SUCKS LETS GET ON A ROLL AND WIN SOME.

ICE ICE BABY.

I WANT TO HEAR THAT SONG EVERTIME HE THROWS A TD!

[fyo]

ICE ICE BABY STOP QUARTERBACK A BIT AND LISTEN MATTY ICE IS HERE FOR A REASON. JOHN BECK SUCKS LETS GET ON A ROLL AND WIN SOME.

There's a rather largish key to the left of "A" on your keyboard. Press it.

And, no, "Matty Ice" is not here. Not unless your real name is Matt Ryan and you're just trying to pump yourself when even your agent has thrown in the towel ;-)

[Slippery Soap]

I PRESS IT AND NOTHING HAPPENS??

[StL FinFan]

I have never heard him called Matty Ice and that is about the stupidest nickname I have ever heard.  It sounds like a cartoon character.

I don't put any stock in mock drafts.  He may be the best QB in the draft, but he is far from the best player in the draft.

As Brain says, your man love for him is disturbing.  The Dolphins will not draft him, get used to it.

[simeon]

I am with all the way on Matt Ryan, but I don't like the idea of Quinn.

[DolFan619]

Let Matty, Beck and Josh battle it out in training camp.  Picking Chris Long is just dumb his only claim to fame is his dad. Plus we allready have a Chris Long on the team his name is Matt Roth the SICK FREAK GLADIATOR!

Matt Roth is an unstoppable force. His motor never turns off and he could learn to play linebacker.

  I've been and still am a huge Matt Roth fan.  However, Chris Long is far and away a better player than Matt Roth was coming out of college.  Chris Long's claim to fame is because of his Dad?  You must not watch a lot of college football, Chris Long is hands down the number one overall pick. 

[ethurst2]

Give up on Brady Quinn people!  The Browns are not going to deal him.  Let go of the past. Accept it and move on.

I think that Derek Anderson was a flash in the pan last year. Defenses across the NFL will be ready for him and he'll come back down to Earth. If you're the Browns, you keep Brady Quinn regardless of any type of offer or situation.

I've said it before. Beck is not the next Dan Marino but the next Bob Griese. Beck could do wanders in a ball control smash mouth offense with the tools around him. If Beck can be effective by throwing between 25 or 30 times a game, you'll see a difference.

Plus, player development at Miami has been bad since Jimmy left. Look at all the guys at any position that were cast off and are starting and being productive with other teams in the league.

Dan Marino could have very well been a bust (at least that's what draft charts said in 1983 when he fell down to the number 27th position). Marino came into a great situation with a great offensive line, the best receiver corps in the NFL at that time and the Killer B defense.

Beck or any other Miami quarterback doesn't have that luxury.

[raptorsfan29]

Honestly I think Beck\'s problem is the speed of the game.

His problem is being on a team that sucks. Speed of the game means squat right now.

[Philly Fin Fan]

Still, the concept is the same.  A QB sitting on the bench who makes starter's money doesn't necessarily have to be traded.

Although I'd love to see Quinn here, I doubt the Browns trade him due to the cap hit it would cause them to take.

Why, why, why? I think I have explained it to you a million times, yet you still keep saying the same old thing about "starter's money" and his "big salary", etc. Quinn's contract is not that big. His base salary is only $750,000. He has a lot of incentives, but unless he see's the field, those don't get paid. So he is NOT making starter's money. As for his cap hit, I don't recall (nor do I feel like looking up) what his signing bonus was, but since he was drafted in the 20's, I don't think its that much of a cap hit if they trade him.

[fyo]

Quinn's contract is not that big. His base salary is only $750,000. He has a lot of incentives, but unless he see's the field, those don't get paid. So he is NOT making starter's money. As for his cap hit, I don't recall (nor do I feel like looking up) what his signing bonus was, but since he was drafted in the 20's, I don't think its that much of a cap hit if they trade him.

His contract was reported at $20.2 million for 5 years with another $10 million or so in performance-based incentives. The signing bonus was $7.75 million.

In other words, he earns around $4 million a year sitting on the bench. We pay McCown a bit over $3 million a year.

I looked up a couple of other backups:

Charlie Batch: $1.4 million.
Seneca Wallace: $1.5 million.
Ryan Fitzpatrick: $0.9 million (minimum RFA tender).
Brad Johnson: $2.5 million

It's surprisingly difficult to find backup QB data these days... and it doesn't help that the NFLPA have shut down outside access to their database. The only conclusion seems to be that backup QB salaries vary a great deal.