Dolphins reworking offensive line

[Sunstroke]

Lil B you are so narrow minded. 

Easy there, cowboy...last time I checked, having your own opinion isn't being narrow-minded.

Personally, I see a significant drop-off from Long to Cherilus, and even a large gap between Long and Clady, who most rate as the #2 tackle in the first round.

Just my opinion of course, but since we're all predicting the future here, the only thing that will truly solve the argument is what happens in the future. I'm looking forward to watching the "Long Debate" develop, regardless of which one Miami ends up taking.

[Philly Fin Fan]

Lil B you are so narrow minded.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion here. Yours is not the gold standard.

[bsfins]

Lil B you are so narrow minded.

Tell me why you seem to believe that Jake Long is the only offensive lineman in this draft because that is the argument every dolphins fan pretty much implies.

A very good offensive lineman could potentially fall to #32 like Jeff Otah, Carl Nicks, Gosder Cherilus, etc.

The difference in value with Chris Long and then the 2nd tier of hybrid linebackers is simply in a different galaxy.

I don't think there is a tremendous drop off from Jake Long to Gosder Cherilus.

Wait...I'm so narrow minded?

I drop Verifiable facts and you keep dropping a Bullshit opinions!

You're a 21 year old college student! That claims to be an NFL analyst,and draft expert..(Who's the IDIOT that gave you that!) You have no accountability...No inside info....You're not a college Scout..No one is paying you for your opinions....Are you even old enough to be Drafted?...

Last time I checked you're not a Dolphns fan....
as Fans,if Bill makes the wrong Decision,We're all crying in out Beers for the Next 5 years.....

I don't know shit about Jake Long.(and never claimed to either..But I know about the Miami Dolphins...and The Idea of Paying another DL/OLB Franchise QB type Money (Chris Long) Where we already have alot of money wrapped up....Doesn't make alot of sense to me at All....And maybe if you actually listened to "other Dolphins fans"  Most of us Think they'll take Chris Long,But are more comfortable taking Jake Long....

Making the argument that you should not draft a player #1 overall because you have too much money tied up into a position is a horrible argument.

You can cut Joey Porter, and it isn't like the Dolphins have that much money invested in a pass rush which I simply don't buy.

But hey I mean yeah you should invest more money into the 5th best player in the draft rather than the 2nd or 1st.

Apparently You've never heard of the Salary Cap..You can't just "cut " Joey Porter...There is dead Money,Trading Jason Taylor Means Cap hit.....Ohh wait..they don't deal with that In college....

[Sunstroke]

I think both of you should chill out a little bit... Is which player Miami selects at #1 really worth getting fightin' mad over?

That said...I can't wait to get ya both on the air together. Wheeeeee!!

[Matt McGuire]

This all coming from the person that said Vernon Gholston played at the senior bowl when he is a JUNIOR!!!!

In one ear and out the other sorry.

If you want to listen to people who have played football then I guess Sean Salisbury, Steve Young, Jamie Dukes, etc. would be draft experts but I have never been impressed with most of what they had to say regarding football analysis on television.

I guess we will see how credible I am on draft day.

If you think I am such an idiot then you need to step up and speak out more on TDMMC with your opinion so we can debate the draft and you put your point in.

When I was debating about Jake Long i never heard anyone really step up and debate me on any point I made.

I do my homework, I watch film (have about 50 VHS tapes of college games from past 2 years in my closet), and I know this draft.

I got grilled last year when I said Brady Quinn would fall to #17 to the Jaguars. My mock speaks for itself my top 5 has been locked since very early February ... we'll see what happens on draft day.

[Matt McGuire]

Hey Lil B maybe the Dolphins should draft a corner #1 ... I bet they don't have that much money locked up in that position.

Plus you always are avoiding my point about how you can get very solid linemen in this draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

[Matt McGuire]

lol so you have to be a fan to know about a football team?

I got the first 7 picks of the draft last year locked in and I had 11 of the top 15 right ... but hey I am not a fan of those teams so what do I know.

Oh yeah and all those Texans fans hated the Mario Williams pick ... look how stupid they look now.

All the Oakland fans last year said that Al Davis doesn't invest much in QB and they wouldn't take Russell they would take Calvin Johnson.

Good calls both ways. I guess though you are right to know anything about needs or the game of football you have to be a fan of all 32 teams.

[Sunstroke]

I got the first 7 picks of the draft last year locked in and I had 11 of the top 15 right ... but hey I am not a fan of those teams so what do I know.

Technically, we were even then... On my ESPN Draft Challenge, I hit 11 of the first 15 as well. Only 18 in the first round, but I had the first half of round one fairly pegged.

I really do understand the C-Long support point you make about there being solid O-linemen in round two, but would you at least consider that there are solid DE's in round two as well? The pass rushers in this draft don't end with Chris Long...there are a lot of good DE's in this class.

...in my opinion, of course.

[bsfins]

I've never Claimed to be an Expert....I'm a joe blow nobody..that happens to be a Dolphins fan....

I think college football sucks...and Haven't watched more than 10 minutes My whole life....

You keep spiting out all this Bullshit.....Act like were Idiots...because were fans....

This all coming from the person that said Vernon Gholston played at the senior bowl when he is a JUNIOR!!!!

In one ear and out the other sorry.

If you want to listen to people who have played football then I guess Sean Salisbury, Steve Young, Jamie Dukes, etc. would be draft experts but I have never been impressed with most of what they had to say regarding football analysis on television.

I guess we will see how credible I am on draft day.

If you think I am such an idiot then you need to step up and speak out more on TDMMC with your opinion so we can debate the draft and you put your point in.

When I was debating about Jake Long i never heard anyone really step up and debate me on any point I made.

I do my homework, I watch film (have about 50 VHS tapes of college games from past 2 years in my closet), and I know this draft.

I got grilled last year when I said Brady Quinn would fall to #17 to the Jaguars. My mock speaks for itself my top 5 has been locked since very early February ... we'll see what happens on draft day.

Again they get Paid....For their Opinions...They actually Talk to Gm's,People in the League Players....They've actually Graduated College...they've actually,Played in the League...They have something Called Credablity...

You run a Mock Draft on some Message board...I don't care about Your Accuracy....I give a damn if that Player is going to be worth a damn 3 years down the Road....

I'm avoiding Your point?..Shit..I've spit out about15-20 questions...this week that you've skirted..and Keep spewing garbage.....

This has to be the Dumbest Statement made on this part of the message board in Many Years...

Okay fuck the chart good call guys.

Back in 1997 Bill Parcells traded down from #1 and passed on the greatest legit LT prospect ever in Orlando Pace ... the Rams gave up just 3rd and 4th round draft picks and Parcells got ripped off by 1000 TVC points. It was the worst trade in NFL Draft history in my opinion.

He traded back again from 6 to 8 with the Seahawks and passed up on another outstanding LT prospect in Walter Jones.

He ended up with James Farrior and a bunch of scrubs.

You say fuck the chart, but every NFL GM uses it as a guide. I look at the draft like business decisions. You don't want to trade down and get bad value.

Secondly, lol "We are stuck at No. 1."

Since when is having the #1 pick a bad thing? What world are we living in where you'd rather pick 15th than 1st?

I showed the 4 of the past 8 years top 10 picks...then showed showed only 2 players (out of 40) in those drafts...could posibly be considered elite players....

and you had nothing...

When I talk about whether a prospect can be elite or not I am evaluting their upside of their talent.

lol so you have to be a fan to know about a football team?

I got the first 7 picks of the draft last year locked in and I had 11 of the top 15 right ... but hey I am not a fan of those teams so what do I know.

Oh yeah and all those Texans fans hated the Mario Williams pick ... look how stupid they look now.

All the Oakland fans last year said that Al Davis doesn't invest much in QB and they wouldn't take Russell they would take Calvin Johnson.

Good calls both ways. I guess though you are right to know anything about needs or the game of football you have to be a fan of all 32 teams.

But if your wrong Who cares! NOBODY Cares...You're not getting fired,you just go on to your next year.......You have nothing invested if the Kid is a bust....FANS DO! We're Not Wrong......

Why don't I speak up? because I was taught,Not to Belittle the Guests......

[Matt McGuire]

I just think it is pretty sad how bad all of these "NFL experts" on TV are.

Can't wait for TDMMC ... getcha popcorn ready.

[Matt McGuire]

You won't belittle me. It won't hurt my feelings, nor do I think I can be "belittled."

If you (referring to all the so called "experts) have confidence in what you are talking about then you should have no problem bringing it in a football debate.

Stroke, feel free to bring on Mel Kiper, Todd McFraud, Scott Wright, Mike Mayock or any other "expert." I don't back down from anyone.

And yes of that list I feel Mayock is a true expert. His track record speaks for itself and that is what I base who is a true expert: reliability, accuracy, consistency, and creativity in logic.

I'm not afraid to talk draft with anyone...in fact bring them all on the show at once.

[bsfins]

^^ you're exactly the person Bob Costas was talking about Bloggers....

If you (referring to all the so called "experts) have confidence in what you are talking about then you should have no problem bringing it in a football debate.

You have no Clue...Who I'm refering too..I'm refering to Any Writer(Sports Magazine,newspaper),Or Broadcaster....Again who's paying you for your opinons?

[Matt McGuire]

^^ you're exactly the person Bob Costas was talking about Bloggers....

You have no Clue...Who I'm refering too..I'm refering to Any Writer(Sports Magazine,newspaper),Or Broadcaster....Again who's paying you for your opinons?

Walter pays me.

[Doc-phin]

Alright, this was entertaining for a while but now has crossed the line to annoying.

About the article... the first thing that hit my mind when I saw the comments made by Sparano was that his O-line in Big D wasn't really all that great considering the talent they had.  Anyone else notice or concerned about this?  Last year our O-line made more progress than any year in recent memory and it looks like it is going to be thrown into the mixer again this year.

As to Jake Long... I understand some of the concern with speed rushers, but I really think that he will be ok with some work on the pro level. 

As to O-line talent in the draft... I agree there is plenty of O-line talent in the draft, but I really believe Jake Long is a major upgrade at left tackle over anyone else available (draft or otherwise). 

We look good on the defensive front at the moment.  We need O-line help so why not take care of it with the draft and get a likely dominating left tackle?  At the least, you can feel good that Jake Long won't be a bust barring any major injury.

For the record - I really like Chris Long and would love to see him on our team.  However, if Jason Taylor or Joey Porter are going to remain a Miami Dolphin then it doesn't make sense to draft C-Long at #1.  I have yet to see a good reason to draft C-Long with the current roster of our defensive front so if you have one, please share.

[Matt McGuire]

Jason Taylor shouldn't enter the thoughts of the Dolphins draft strategy because they have no future.

33 and 31 years old. This defense needs an injection of youth and talent if you guys ever want to win a super bowl...and that will not ever happen with Jason Taylor and Joey Porter on the football team. I know you guys don't want to hear that but it is true.

The dolphins aren't going to playoffs the next two years and by that time Jason Taylor is on the verge of retirement or he loses all of his speed aka Simeon Rice.

Likely dominating left tackle? Everyone said that about Robert Gallery and Tony Mandarich. I don't think Jake Long has that kind of floor, but I can see how he will struggle with speedand you don't draft an offensive tackle #1 overall that could struggle with speed even if it is a little bit. I thought we learned this from Gallery and Mandarich but I guess not.

Someone simply needs to step up to this debate and logically explain why you can't fill needs at LG and RT and really improve the OL with your picks in the 2nd-4th round. Look outside the box and look at this entire draft class, not just the top 5 players.