Dolphins reworking offensive line

[CF DolFan]

Walter pays me.

Matt ... please stop with the double and triple posting.  If you need to add to your previous post feel free to hit the modify button in the top right corner of your post.

Thanks!

[Doc-phin]

Someone simply needs to step up to this debate and logically explain why you can't fill needs at LG and RT and really improve the OL with your picks in the 2nd-4th round. Look outside the box and look at this entire draft class, not just the top 5 players.

I will be honest, I am not fully able to recall who exactly got beat and why but our QBs took a beating on there blind side this year.  Particularly Beck, who was like a bleeding cow in a pool of parana.  From what I remember, most of the big hits were from the outside on the left side.  We are going to get blitzed alot this year, you can count on it.  I also think we are going to be a run first team.

My opinion is that we need more help on the O-line than anywhere else right now.  Personally, I think Carey is good but not good enough at LT.  I don't mind your view and it may be what our coaching staff chooses to do.  However, I really fear that you are just hating on Jake Long, I really don't see this as a Robert Gallery situation at all.  I just think we end up with a mediocre O-line with the philosophy you outlined and an overload on the defensive front. 

[Matt McGuire]

I will be honest, I am not fully able to recall who exactly got beat and why but our QBs took a beating on there blind side this year.  Particularly Beck, who was like a bleeding cow in a pool of parana.  From what I remember, most of the big hits were from the outside on the left side.  We are going to get blitzed alot this year, you can count on it.  I also think we are going to be a run first team.

My opinion is that we need more help on the O-line than anywhere else right now.  Personally, I think Carey is good but not good enough at LT.  I don't mind your view and it may be what our coaching staff chooses to do.  However, I really fear that you are just hating on Jake Long, I really don't see this as a Robert Gallery situation at all.  I just think we end up with a mediocre O-line with the philosophy you outlined and an overload on the defensive front. 

I 100% agree with everything you said but what is stopping Miami from potentially finding a left tackle in the top 10 next year that is looking aboslutely loaded at that position (I think next year's tackle class will make this one look very bad ... that's how strong it could be).

I mean how good can this OL be if you can get some set starters in at every position from LG (draft pick) , C (Satele), RG (Smiley), and RT (draft pick or you move Carey over) in the draft. I mean you aren't set at left tackle but you have improved your running game a lot with the big upgrades at guard and I think any draft pick you make this year (especially if you get one of the big 6 OL at #32) can be already a huge improvement on the OL.

I mean maybe you are going to have to suffer without a good left tackle for this season but like I mentioned last  month Miami is not going to fill every need this year. You have to accept that as a team that is in the rebuilding process. If the scouting department continues to do a good job I feel like the respect for the Dolphins franchise as a contender can be restored.

[bsfins]

I 100% agree with everything you said but what is stopping Miami from potentially finding a left tackle in the top 10 next year that is looking aboslutely loaded at that position (I think next year's tackle class will make this one look very bad ... that's how strong it could be).

I mean how good can this OL be if you can get some set starters in at every position from LG (draft pick) , C (Satele), RG (Smiley), and RT (draft pick or you move Carey over) in the draft. I mean you aren't set at left tackle but you have improved your running game a lot with the big upgrades at guard and I think any draft pick you make this year (especially if you get one of the big 6 OL at #32) can be already a huge improvement on the OL.

I mean maybe you are going to have to suffer without a good left tackle for this season but like I mentioned last  month Miami is not going to fill every need this year. You have to accept that as a team that is in the rebuilding process. If the scouting department continues to do a good job I feel like the respect for the Dolphins franchise as a contender can be restored.

Yeah that's the Way the NFL works  ,We'll think about who we'll draft in 2009...Prior to the 2008 draft....That makes alot of sense...PLEASE

[Matt McGuire]

Yeah that's the Way the NFL works  ,We'll think about who we'll draft in 2009...Prior to the 2008 draft....That makes alot of sense...PLEASE

You don't think about who you will draft no but you don't think short term in the draft which is my argument as to why you will pass on Jake Long and every other franhcise LT (who will all likely be off the board at #32). You don't think about the 2008 season because Miami isn't winning 7 games... that has no chance of happening.

Sparano gets coach of the year if you win 6 games in my opinion.

Thinking short term isn't very smart because the short term doesn't really matter. I know you don't want to hear that as a fan but it is simply true.

[bsfins]

You're going to Dazzle us with more Bullshit Opinions...Low on facts? That Lack credibility?

[Matt McGuire]

You're going to Dazzle us with more Bullshit Opinions...Low on facts? That Lack credibility?

If you think my opinions are bullshit how come you never called me out or debated me on TDMMC.

LOL I'm low on facts? Okay Mr. Vernon Gholston at the senior bowl that is as simply as bad as it gets.

[StL FinFan]

I mean maybe you are going to have to suffer without a good left tackle for this season but like I mentioned last  month Miami is not going to fill every need this year. You have to accept that as a team that is in the rebuilding process. If the scouting department continues to do a good job I feel like the respect for the Dolphins franchise as a contender can be restored.

Um...has anyone here not accepted that the Dolphins are beginning a rebuilding?

If you want respect, Matt, you have to give respect.  You aren't doing that.  You are acting like your word is scripture and anyone that does not agree with you is an idiot.

People will respect your opinions if you respect theirs in kind.

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Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

[bsfins]

Um...has anyone here not accepted that the Dolphins are beginning a rebuilding?

If you want respect, Matt, you have to give respect.  You aren't doing that.  You are acting like your word is scripture and anyone that does not agree with you is an idiot.

People will respect your opinions if you respect thiers in kind.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

[BJL]

If the pick came down to Michael Oher in 2009 and Chris Long in 2008 I would take Oher every time. But Jake Long is not the prototype.

He ran a 5.17 40 at 315 pounds (comaped to Joe Thomas who ran a 4.92) and he doesn't have extremely quick feet. He is not the prototype. You don't want to draft a player #1 overall who doesn't fit the prototype. Jake Long will struggle with speed. I have seen flaws in his athletic ability on film, and while there aren't many I didn't see those same flaws in Joe Thomas from what I saw from him last year at the Combine and games he played while at Wisconsin.

Doesn't defense win championships? Giants. Steelers. Colts (without that defense no way Peyton wins). Patriots. Bucs. Ravens. The list goes on and on. Pressure is the way to win a Super Bowl and Chris Long will bring that in the NFL

First off, running a 40 is not dropping back into pass protection. Your emphasis here is on footwork, so keep it that way. A 40 time does not mean anything for that. And yes, I know Long has some footwork problems, but I don't see him as that bad. No kid comes out of college perfect. Worse comes to worse, he eventually gets moved to right tackle. He'd be solid at that position at the least. Best case scenario is that he'll be a solid left tackle for years. That ain't bad when you need to eventually bring in a young QB, and save him from eating turf all day.

As far as defense winning championships, you are pushing that slogan to give a reason for drafting a defensive end. That doesn't support your argument at all.

I still go for the left tackle. Solidify the offensive line.

[Matt McGuire]

lol how am I not giving respect .... i'm sorry if I don't think your favorite football team will be good next year.

Lil B called me out. That's fine. Like I said, bring it on TDMMC Lil B. Let's talk some draft.

If you think I am such an idiot then you should have no problem making me look bad.

[Matt McGuire]

A 40 time is an indication of athletic ability and explosiveness.

You don't draft an offensive tackle that weighs 315 pounds and has questional athletic ability going into the combine and he doesn't answer those questions.

We knew he was big before the combine. If you ever saw him in pads then you saw the good muscle defintion. I was extremely impressed with 37 reps though with such long arms, but like I said it takes more to be a prototype.

[Matt McGuire]

As far as defense winning championships, you are pushing that slogan to give a reason for drafting a defensive end. That doesn't support your argument at all.

I still go for the left tackle. Solidy the offensive line.

Yeah I'm pushing that slogan because that slogan has been proven time and time again.

Bill Parcells loves defense. Lawrence Taylor. DeMarcus Ware. He love size too and Chris Long has plenty of that at 6'3 271 (not extremely tall but he is well built). He loves intangibles and leadership. He loves good bloodlines (Bobby Carpenter pick in 2006).

Not to mention what ever happened on the forums to all the rumors that the Dolphins like Chris more than Jake??? Adam Schefter (most credible football journalist on television) was talking about how Chris Long was a near lock at #1 also (after I had been saying that for a month).

[bsfins]

there's your Big Problem Matt....You want to talk Draft..I want to talk NFL,Yeah you can ramble on and on about players But even admitted you When I talk about whether a prospect can be elite or not I am evaluting their upside of their talent.

I don't care where they Go.....I want Know what they can do in the NFL......You can't predict that.....You strut around here talking like Someone in the NFL is paying for your opinion...But they aren't.....We're all idoits if we disagree with you....If you don't Believe it..it's not gonna happen....

Keep struting around like a Big rooster there Matt...

didn't Cf already warn you about Double posting?

[BJL]

A 40 time is an indication of athletic ability and explosiveness.

You don't draft an offensive tackle that weighs 315 pounds and has questional athletic ability going into the combine and he doesn't answer those questions.

We knew he was big before the combine. If you ever saw him in pads then you saw the good muscle defintion. I was extremely impressed with 37 reps though with such long arms, but like I said it takes more to be a prototype.

A 40 time is a track race. It's not a measure of how players produce on a football field. It's nice to see who's the fastest (or who is out of shape), but for the most part it doesn't matter, especially for linemen. What about the guy rarely giving up a sack? Does that count somewhere? Don't place too much in combine stats. I've seen guys with much worse footwork wind up starting at left tackle. Hell, I've seen it a lot for the Bucs. I don't like drafting a defensive end first overall for a 3-4 scheme. How many premeire 3-4 ends can you name? Maybe it's because I don't like a 3-4 scheme, but I don't see using a first overall pick for that.