Lets talk music...........

[Defense54]

Because I don't like the way that last thread ended,  Lets just talk some music. Music is probably my #1 passion , probably equal to that of the Miami Dolphins. 


Lets start with this quote:
 
New Orleans , Yeah...the home and birthplace of America's only music that they can call their own. 

Budda girl...........Do you really believe that Jazz is the only type of music that America can truly call their own? And where do you think Jazz came from? Do you really think that JAZZ came before The Blues?  THAT is truly America's first and only original musical Art form. If you don't know anything about music theory Trust me when I tell you that the Blues is the foundation of ALL modern music.  Here's a little back ground:



Jazz is an American musical art form which originated around the beginning of the 20th century in African American communities in the Southern United States from a confluence of African and European music traditions. The style's West African pedigree is evident in its use of blue notes.

By 1808 the Atlantic slave trade had brought almost half a million Africans to the United States. The slaves largely came from West Africa and brought strong tribal musical traditions with them.[3] Lavish festivals featuring African dances to drums were organized on Sundays at Place Congo, or Congo Square, in New Orleans until 1843, as were similar gatherings in New England and New York. African music was largely functional, for work or ritual, and included work songs and field hollers. In the African tradition, they had a single-line melody and a call-and-response pattern, but without the European concept of harmony. Rhythms reflected African speech patterns, and the African use of pentatonic scales led to blue notes in blues.

Another influence came from black slaves who had learned the harmonic style of hymns and incorporated it into their own music as spirituals.

The classically-trained pianist Scott Joplin produced his "Original Rags" in the following year, then in 1899 had an international hit with "Maple Leaf Rag." He wrote numerous popular rags combining syncopation, banjo figuration's and sometimes call-and-response, which led to the ragtime idiom being taken up by classical composers including Claude Debussy and Igor Stravinsky. Blues music was published and popularized by W. C. Handy, whose "Memphis Blues" of 1912 and "St. Louis Blues" of 1914 both became jazz standards.

This is Important Budda.........read on if you dared to make it this far:



The music of New Orleans had a profound effect on the creation of early jazz. Many early jazz performers played in the brothels and bars of red-light district around Basin Street called "Storyville."[12] In addition, numerous marching bands played at lavish funerals arranged by the African American community. The instruments used in marching bands and dance bands became the basic instruments of jazz: brass and reeds tuned in the European 12-tone scale and drums. Small bands of primarily self-taught African American musicians, many of whom came from the funeral-procession tradition of New Orleans, played a seminal role in the development and dissemination of early jazz, traveling throughout Black communities in the Deep South and, from around 1914 on, Afro-Creole and African American musicians playing in vaudeville shows took jazz to western and northern US cities.

 Afro-Creole pianist Jelly Roll Morton began his career in Storyville. From 1904, he toured with vaudeville shows around southern cities, also playing in Chicago and New York. His "Jelly Roll Blues,"  

The Original Dixieland Jazz Band's "Livery Stable Blues" released early in 1917 is one of the most popular early early jazz records

However, the main centre developing the new "Hot Jazz" was Chicago, where King Oliver joined Bill Johnson. That year also saw the first recording by Bessie Smith, the most famous of the 1920s blues singers.


Just so you know I have a huge collection of Jazz recordings from Coltrain to T. Munk to G. Benson.  I don't really dig the big New Orleans Dixieland style as much being a guitar player but I can sure respect it.  Players like Tbone Walker, BB King (who I had the pleasure of meeting and hugging) John Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy, Son Seals , Freddie and Albert King , and Albert Collins all top my walls and my CD collection daily.

I look forward to discussing more music with you because you seem to know so much about Jazz and its origins. 



 

[ethurst2]

Because I don't like the way that last thread ended,  Lets just talk some music. Music is probably my #1 passion , probably equal to that of the Miami Dolphins. 


Lets start with this quote:
 
New Orleans , Yeah...the home and birthplace of America's only music that they can call their own. 

Budda girl...........Do you really believe that Jazz is the only type of music that America can truly call their own? And where do you think Jazz came from? Do you really think that JAZZ came before The Blues?  THAT is truly America's first and only original musical Art form. If you don't know anything about music theory Trust me when I tell you that the Blues is the foundation of ALL modern music.  Here's a little back ground:



Jazz is an American musical art form which originated around the beginning of the 20th century in African American communities in the Southern United States from a confluence of African and European music traditions. The style's West African pedigree is evident in its use of blue notes.

By 1808 the Atlantic slave trade had brought almost half a million Africans to the United States. The slaves largely came from West Africa and brought strong tribal musical traditions with them.[3] Lavish festivals featuring African dances to drums were organized on Sundays at Place Congo, or Congo Square, in New Orleans until 1843, as were similar gatherings in New England and New York. African music was largely functional, for work or ritual, and included work songs and field hollers. In the African tradition, they had a single-line melody and a call-and-response pattern, but without the European concept of harmony. Rhythms reflected African speech patterns, and the African use of pentatonic scales led to blue notes in blues.

Another influence came from black slaves who had learned the harmonic style of hymns and incorporated it into their own music as spirituals.

The classically-trained pianist Scott Joplin produced his "Original Rags" in the following year, then in 1899 had an international hit with "Maple Leaf Rag." He wrote numerous popular rags combining syncopation, banjo figuration's and sometimes call-and-response, which led to the ragtime idiom being taken up by classical composers including Claude Debussy and Igor Stravinsky. Blues music was published and popularized by W. C. Handy, whose "Memphis Blues" of 1912 and "St. Louis Blues" of 1914 both became jazz standards.

This is Important Budda.........read on if you dared to make it this far:



The music of New Orleans had a profound effect on the creation of early jazz. Many early jazz performers played in the brothels and bars of red-light district around Basin Street called "Storyville."[12] In addition, numerous marching bands played at lavish funerals arranged by the African American community. The instruments used in marching bands and dance bands became the basic instruments of jazz: brass and reeds tuned in the European 12-tone scale and drums. Small bands of primarily self-taught African American musicians, many of whom came from the funeral-procession tradition of New Orleans, played a seminal role in the development and dissemination of early jazz, traveling throughout Black communities in the Deep South and, from around 1914 on, Afro-Creole and African American musicians playing in vaudeville shows took jazz to western and northern US cities.

 Afro-Creole pianist Jelly Roll Morton began his career in Storyville. From 1904, he toured with vaudeville shows around southern cities, also playing in Chicago and New York. His "Jelly Roll Blues,"  

The Original Dixieland Jazz Band's "Livery Stable Blues" released early in 1917 is one of the most popular early early jazz records

However, the main centre developing the new "Hot Jazz" was Chicago, where King Oliver joined Bill Johnson. That year also saw the first recording by Bessie Smith, the most famous of the 1920s blues singers.


Just so you know I have a huge collection of Jazz recordings from Coltrain to T. Munk to G. Benson.  I don't really dig the big New Orleans Dixieland style as much being a guitar player but I can sure respect it.  Players like Tbone Walker, BB King (who I had the pleasure of meeting and hugging) John Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy, Son Seals , Freddie and Albert King , and Albert Collins all top my walls and my CD collection daily.

I look forward to discussing more music with you because you seem to know so much about Jazz and its origins. 

 

Wait a minute D5499! How could you ever leave out Johnny "Guitar" Watson? This guy was really the first guitar player to mold R&B, Blues and Funk and was the first to use guitar effects (Check out his Motorhead Baby cut and his version of Rocket 88). His influences were T-Bone and Gatemouth Brown.

Watson isn't talked about because he basically pioneered West Coast Blues and Funk.

And what about Steve Cropper from Booker T and the MG's?  I did an essay on how most of your record companies began during the 40's and 60's and what was so amazing about companies like Stax Records out of Memphis, TN is that you had black and white musicians playing together and treated each other as equals. Stax was the first integrated record company in the middle of a low-income neighborhood but the music that came out of Stax was priceless and is the best Blues/Soul music the world has ever heard.

A lot of tradition and techniques were handed down from guys that had been playing blues guitar on the Delta to a lot of Memphis musicians who would travel back and forth up North.

Great information that you posted! True Blues and Soul are revered in other countries more than it is here in America. These kids don't know what real music is.

[Buddhagirl]

I don't have nice musical discussions with racist cops.

[Thundergod]

[MaineDolFan]

^^^Thundergod...I really love you, man.

LOL!!

[BoSoxGrl]

Priceless.
I can't wait to see where it goes!

[Defense54]

I don't have nice musical discussions with racist cops.

Did you snap your fingers and move your head side to side when you said that? 

Forgive me for thinking you were an adult and hoping you could move on. If some things I said hurt......try to think why. Hopefully we will be friends again by the time Training camp starts. 

[Defense54]

Wait a minute D5499! How could you ever leave out Johnny "Guitar" Watson? This guy was really the first guitar player to mold R&B, Blues and Funk and was the first to use guitar effects (Check out his Motorhead Baby cut and his version of Rocket 88). His influences were T-Bone and Gatemouth Brown.

Watson isn't talked about because he basically pioneered West Coast Blues and Funk.

And what about Steve Cropper from Booker T and the MG's?  I did an essay on how most of your record companies began during the 40's and 60's and what was so amazing about companies like Stax Records out of Memphis, TN is that you had black and white musicians playing together and treated each other as equals. Stax was the first integrated record company in the middle of a low-income neighborhood but the music that came out of Stax was priceless and is the best Blues/Soul music the world has ever heard.

A lot of tradition and techniques were handed down from guys that had been playing blues guitar on the Delta to a lot of Memphis musicians who would travel back and forth up North.

Great information that you posted! True Blues and Soul are revered in other countries more than it is here in America. These kids don't know what real music is.

No doubt Johnny Made some great music. And gate mouth Brown is one of my all time Favorite Guitars players. He actually died shortly after being evacuated from his home in Louisiana , also from Hurricane Katrina. (Why is it all we hear about is New Orleans and Never Louisiana when talking about that god awful Hurricane!!? ) Gatemouth was truly a guitar players guitar Player. If you ever called him a Bluesman he would tell you off! That man did it all........Blues, Jazz, Country, rockabilly, Zydeco......you name it. So many Great Great Black American Muscians I just don't have the time or the bandwith to name them all in one thread. I had the pleasure of meeting BB King In Atlantic City NJ back in 1997. I have a giant 48" poster of him in my music room autographed to me from that night. It inspires me daily. 

I don't think alot of Young America today relizes that ALL the modern music we listen to daily can be traced back to the Black Slaves and The Blues. When I first started to play guitar back in 1978 I was really into Van Halen , Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. It was only until Stevie Ray Vaughn hit the scene in 81 aqnd 82 that I heard Blues music for the first time. I couldn't believe what I was hearing and after digesting everything that Stevie brought me I needed more so I started looking for his influences. And his influences , influences. All of it........All of it can be traced back to a Mr Robert Johnson. He created (or discovered) depends on how you look at it I guess.......the scales and the notes that are the basis and the ROOT of all modern music as we know it today. You can not find a modern Guitar player that does not use the chords and the scales that Robert Johnson first put to music. People along the way like the Great Chuck Berry , Eric Clapton ,Jimi Hendrix and Led Zepplin used alot of Johnsons music and just updated it with Modern recording techniques of the time and equipment.  But you can take any Modern Death Metal or any Kind of Guitar or even Horn driven music and if you break it down to its chords and scales.........I can show you Robert Johnson in there.

As you can tell music is a huge part of my life and to me so much more then just the songs and the cool album art . I don't really hear anything New and inspiring anymore coming out. I try really hard to keep an open mind but some of todays music is all electronic and created on a computer . Muscians will tape a part here and then add a part here.........Most drummers and bass players are not even in the same room or record parts months apart on the same tracks!  Whatever happened to a band playing live in the studio!? Thats how magic happens. The best parts of songs often are mistakes that can not be duplicated. 

I can go on and on with this stuff.............

Anyone else have a passion for music?

[Buddhagirl]

Did you snap your fingers and move your head side to side when you said that? 

Another dumb racist statement from one of America's Finest.

Forgive me for thinking you were an adult and hoping you could move on. If some things I said hurt......try to think why. Hopefully we will be friends again by the time Training camp starts. 

Move on? I'm not going to kiss and make up with a racist cop. Too bad you can't just be a man and own up to it. Embrace the racisim. Become one with it. Own it.

Call me politically incorrect , racist, whatever I don't give a shit.

What happened to this statement? I guess you only meant it until someone called you on it.

[Sunstroke]

 

A picture says more than a thousand words...and T-God's icons say even more. I laughed so hard when I saw the popcorn munching smiley there that my boss came up and asked me what I was doing.

[Defense54]

 

=Buddhagirl
Another dumb racist statement from one of America's Finest.

And how was that statement racist? Or are you starting to revert back to this?:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXK542NMJLY





 

Move on? I'm not going to kiss and make up with a racist cop. Too bad you can't just be a man and own up to it. Embrace the racisim. Become one with it. Own it.

OK . lets go with that. Maybe I am a bit racist. Who here isn't. How are you gonna deal with it? What exactly don't you agree with and why?  

What happened to this statement? I guess you only meant it until someone called you on it.

[/quote]

Oh I see........becuase I gave you answers that you don't like and can't comprehend all of a sudden its not possibly the truth.......its a self defense mechanism. I see your logic now. I think everyone here does now. Lets see if you can come up with some intelligent points to refute what I said without reverting back to the .......you are a just a racist card.


Btw.........this thread was supposed to be about music. You made some statements about New orleans Jazz that were incorrect and I wanted to discuss themwith you. Is that racist as well?  

[Buddhagirl]

Maybe I am a bit racist. Who here isn't. How are you gonna deal with it? What exactly don't you agree with and why?  

I'm done here. You finally owned up to your racism. I don't agree with you being a racist. Is that too hard for you to understand?  Even the comment about head bobbing is a racial stereotype. The fact that someone like you has a badge sickens me.

Seeing that you were at one point ok being seen as a racist or politically incorrect, I don't see what your problem is here. Why would you get upset when someone says you're a racist then? I don't get it. I guess you thought people would agree with you or something???

Re music: I don't chit chat about music or other niceties with racist cops. Period. You're dead to me on this board.

[Defense54]

I'm done here. You finally owned up to your racism. I don't agree with you being a racist. Is that too hard for you to understand?  Even the comment about head bobbing is a racial stereotype. The fact that someone like you has a badge sickens me.

Seeing that you were at one point ok being seen as a racist or politically incorrect, I don't see what your problem is here. Why would you get upset when someone says you're a racist then? I don't get it. I guess you thought people would agree with you or something???

Re music: I don't chit chat about music or other niceties with racist cops. Period. You're dead to me on this board.

So in other words you either can't accept what I said, or are not intelligent enough to write a well thought out reply.So you revert to the name calling and the race card.  Its really the perfect example of what is wrong with America today and I thank you for illustrating thta point nicely. And just for the record........you are the only one thats upset here.

Check this out.......it always puts me in a better mood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0OlPcQv3Cs

I would LOVE to make music with her............

[JVides]

I'd like to...carefully...say (write, whatever) something here:  Most people (and by most I don't mean 50.1%, I mean more like 99.875%) dislike or hate some group of people or another for: race, gender, culture, religion, sexuality, upbringing, level of wealth, choice of profession, choice of political party, etc...Hell, this even goes on to teams people root for.  To disengage from these people would be to disengage from life, as they are everywhere and are the vast majority.  Even though I think myself to be about as unbiased and unbigoted as you possibly can be, I am sure that to that 0.125% (by my estimation) of truly pure people, I am intolerant for my minor hangups (why do those Argentines think they're all that anyway?  And that notion that they're really "European" and not South American?  No sean boludos!!).

Buddha, I can understand your passion for writing as you do, but to write someone off for saying something controversial, caustic, or racist would require you to pretty much write off humanity.  I am sure that if you were to analyze your life; the things you've said (or heard and not objected to, or even thought fleetingly) in the past, you'd find a handful of moments you're ashamed of; I know I sure can, as can (I'm certain) every single person on this board.  It's just mathematical probability that everyone in this world holds some kind of illogical grudge on some group of people or another.  Maybe, someday, Defense will think back to his posts and consider that he could have phrased things differently, could have been more sensible, and experience regret.  I don't peg him as a racist, at any rate, certainly not in the "I'm a jackass the wearing a white hood" kind of way.  I just think he's a guy that writes what he feels, good bad or ugly.

[JVides]

Hey, question...why would Rock & Roll not be considered as originating in these here United States of America?  I mean, yeah, many rock pioneers came from abroad (notably England) but the genre originated here from music (R&B) that originated here, right?