Teacher burns cross on student's arm

[Dave Gray]

I don't understand you calling out my maturity.  I'm being totally serious.

You are missing the point.  I'm not defending schools and liberal agendas  -- I don't have to.  The point is that it has nothing to do with this.  You find a way to turn every thread into liberal bashing.

And then, you call out Guru, who's completely uninvolved, while private messaging me about his behavior, you hypocrite.

[run_to_win]

I don't understand you calling out my maturity.  I'm being totally serious.

Your answer was not very mature.  You could have asked me to explain/elaborate.

You are missing the point.  I'm not defending schools and liberal agendas  -- I don't have to.  The point is that it has nothing to do with this.  You find a way to turn every thread into liberal bashing.

So how long have you worked in the public schools?  Is this an area of your expertise? 

The point is that neither agenda should be pushed.  One is.  We accept it and we all know what it has done to the system.  When the other agenda is pushed people get fired, and rightfully so. 

And then, you call out Guru, who's completely uninvolved, while private messaging me about his behavior, you hypocrite.

About a PM he sent me similar to the one he sent Defense5499.     A fact you neglected.  If I remember correctly it said something like, "Is this necessary?"

Perhaps the comparison was uncalled for, but you can't deny it was accurate.

[bsfins]

I'm trying to figure out Who's agenda we're pushing...and why I didn't get a copy of it....

[run_to_win]

I'm trying to figure out Who's agenda we're pushing...

"We're"?

[bsfins]

  Yeah..as in a contraction of We and are...As in The Mods, the people that you are accusing of running people off the board...and wagging your finger at...

[run_to_win]

Yeah..as in a contraction of We and are...As in The Mods, the people that you are accusing of running people off the board...and wagging your finger at...

Where did I say that?

I wasn't sure if you were talking about schools or TDMMC.

[CF DolFan]

Yeah..as in a contraction of We and are...As in The Mods, the people that you are accusing of running people off the board...and wagging your finger at...

Run was speaking about agendas being pushed in school and not the moderators "agenda".  Dave ( IMHO) unnecessarily attacked run instead of addressing the issue and then run explained this is what he was pointing out about what guru does. Dave then proceeded to want to address the fact that guru was brought into the conversation unprovoked as if this was run's agenda all long.

I obviously agree with run and simeon and I think most unbiased people would too.  The liberal agenda is pushed over and over in school and whenever someone pushes something conservative it seems everyone wants to burn them at the stake no questions asked.  I haven't seen anyone agree with what this guy did but most of us conservatives would believe there is probably more to the story.  This is the same argument given by several members whenever a liberal bashing article is posted.  Since most of us agree that pretty much every article is slanted to whatever views the author holds I'm not sure what the argument is.

Was what the guy did wrong? yes
Was there more to the story?  Possibly
Could the guy just be a some crazy kook? possibly
Could the guy have mistakenly done something unintended? possibly

Either way there is probably more to the story.

[simeon]

The only reason why this is even talked about is because this guy is a Christian, yes stuff like this happens in schools across this great land. I hardly doubt this teacher forced these kids to be marked by this machine, I am willing to bet they volunteered.
Without a doubt he made a poor decision by doing this, he was wrong for doing it.
HE DID NOT abuse these kids, this is no more than an anti Christian article.
I did read this article before it was posted here on the board, and it is a good article to put on the off topic board. I think it is great that we can take different sides, if we all agreed that would be boring.

[bsmooth]

The only reason why this is even talked about is because this guy is a Christian, yes stuff like this happens in schools across this great land. I hardly doubt this teacher forced these kids to be marked by this machine, I am willing to bet they volunteered.
Without a doubt he made a poor decision by doing this, he was wrong for doing it.
HE DID NOT abuse these kids, this is no more than an anti Christian article.
I did read this article before it was posted here on the board, and it is a good article to put on the off topic board. I think it is great that we can take different sides, if we all agreed that would be boring.

How do you define abuse? What is the difference between a bruise that last several days or a broken bone that takes 6 weeks to heal?
Even if he asked them permission, they are still children. He is an adult, in a position of power, and therefor can wield a lot of influence. Plus he could have gained their trust so as to lead them into this, which is not unlike some pedophiles and other abusers have done in the past. Once you gain a child's trust you can get them to do things that can be either positive or negative.
I do not see why suddenly this is an attack against "christians". This guy messed up, badly.

[fyo]

But this guy is considered to be one of the schools best teachers

He's a science teacher teaching creationism. He is NOT one of the schools best teachers.

[Buddhagirl]

He's a science teacher teaching creationism. He is NOT one of the schools best teachers.

QFT...Especially since this is a PUBLIC school.

[CF DolFan]

I do not see why suddenly this is an attack against "christians". This guy messed up, badly.

The very first post had a poke at Christianity.

The instructor is accused of preaching his Christian beliefs in class and teaching creationism.

A family says Freshwater burned a cross into a child's arm that remained for three to four weeks. The family has sued the teacher and the school district.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080620/ap_on_re_us/teacher_bible

Damn, if some ass did that to my kid I would ask for more than just the loss of his job.  I would seek criminal charges and some jail time. 

...that whole arm burning thing wouldn't fly either! 

After that Stroke went on to quote a song that directly makes fun of some of the worst things ever done in the name of Christianity as to make the connection between the two. BTW ... I loved that movie. Its a classic.

And the list goes on. I don't care either way but people were taking a swipe at Christianity in this thread and continue to do so.

[Guru-In-Vegas]

A poke at Christianity in the first post?

It was a joke about teaching it in a science class.  When did biology class become a suitable location for mass? 

[run_to_win]

How do you define abuse? What is the difference between a bruise that last several days or a broken bone that takes 6 weeks to heal?

This was not physical abuse.  

A bruise or broken bone results from an accident or violence.

Was it emotional abuse?  That's hard to support if the kids volunteered.  

Even if he asked them permission, they are still children. He is an adult, in a position of power, and therefor can wield a lot of influence.

True.

Plus he could have gained their trust...

Yeah, he probably had no interest in gaining their trust to make the teacher-student relationship better and facilitate the learning process.  The teaching gig was just a cover.  

...so as to lead them into this,

Lead them into what?  Having an inappropriate symbol left on their skin as part of a science demonstration?  

This guy messed up, badly.

If that was true then the familes of every student subjected to this abusive victimization would be filing a lawsuit.  Right now it's 1 out of how many?   No worries though.  I suspect the lawyers are beating the bushes trying to scare up some other plaintiffs.  

Good thing for this family that their child didn't put the balm on.    

[run_to_win]

He's a science teacher teaching creationism.

Is there another link/source that the rest of us aren't privy too?

Where else but TDMMC could "accused of preaching his Christian beliefs" become "teaching creationism" and conducting "mass"?