Teacher burns cross on student's arm

[Brian Fein]

I agree and said that., I remember a science teaching when I went to school rubbing poison ivy on students arm to show would it did to you, he didn't get fired, never got published in any paper, and abosolutely no law suits.

so, then, to you, this is OK? You said you didn't want your kids learning about Native American Spirituality, but you're fine with a teacher rubbing poison ivy on them?

[simeon]

No I found it horable for this teacher to rub it on students, what I am telling you is nobody made a big deal out of it, like this article did. This stuff happens all the time, I am sure other science teachers are doing similar stuff. Did you ever play with a Van De Graaf generator in school, it seems pretty cool, but electricity is flowing through you.

[Brian Fein]

Its static electricity, its not nearly enough to hurt you.  No more than if you rub your feet on the carpet.

Its no secret that back then people were less anal.  People used to spank their kids in public, whip kids with belts, etc.  Remember the stories of the Catholic School Nuns that used to paddle kids when they stepped out of line?

Now all those kids that got paddled grew up and had their own kids and now if you see a mom spanking her kid for knocking down a display in the grocery store, the Dept. of Children and Families will be there in 8 seconds flat to take that kid away cause the mom is "un-fit".

Its not ALWAYS an attack on religion, regardless of what you might decipher.  This is uproar about a teacher harming a child - nothing more.  Like Maine said - anyone touches his kid, he ends up in jail.  And I applaud him for that.

[Sunstroke]

God created evolution

Done and done...

Disagree, theres no such thing as evolution.

Sure there is...you just need to have faith.

The real issue, which seems to be lost, is that this teacher burned something on to a student's arm. 

He.burned.something.on.to.a.s tudent's.arm.

The physical action is the issue.  Where I come from, that's assault at most and reckless behavior with a child in the least.

Definitely isn't the type of person I'd like to see teaching my nieces/nephews.

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Children/parents should be allowed to opt out of science class?

Have you been watching the general decline in scores on standardized achievement tests?  They've been opting out in one way or another for decades. 

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Those links are even more laughable. World Net Daily is some sort of righty Christian progpaganda machine. Do you even read real news?

I miss the mature and open-minded Buddhagirl.  She wasn't the type who'd dismiss a story outright merely due to those who published it, label everyone who disagreed with her a racist, applaud a young boy for spitting on cop, etc. *sigh*

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Maine's right -

issues aside, political, religious, no matter what your agenda, you don't burn anything on a kid's arm.  A happy face, peace sign, a heart, NOTHING.  teacher + hot object + kid = FIRED!

Except for the fact it wasn't a hot object - the whole point of the demonstration - solid point.

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so, then, to you, this is OK? You said you didn't want your kids learning about Native American Spirituality, but you're fine with a teacher rubbing poison ivy on them?

Yeah, that's exactly what he said.   

Curse Simeon for not being a litigious student!!!

[simeon]

Those links are even more laughable. World Net Daily is some sort of righty Christian progpaganda machine. Do you even read real news?

These links are laughable, do I read real news ? Last I knew Daniel Pipes works for CNN news, but maybe CNN doesn't do real news. But if you are up to it go to the CNN website and type in these words,"Judge rules Islamic education OK in California classrooms", you can read Daniels article on there.

[Buddhagirl]

I miss the mature and open-minded Buddhagirl.  She wasn't the type who'd dismiss a story outright merely due to those who published it, label everyone who disagreed with her a racist, applaud a young boy for spitting on cop, etc. *sigh*

Uhmmm...you're kidding right. I've slammed many others on here for quoting the World Net Daily. I don't label those that disagree with me racist. I label racists as racists. Especially when they say, "I don't care if it's racist...blah blah blah." I will always applaud a young boy for spitting on a racist cop. I would like to take him out for ice cream.

These links are laughable, do I read real news ? Last I knew Daniel Pipes works for CNN news, but maybe CNN doesn't do real news. But if you are up to it go to the CNN website and type in these words,"Judge rules Islamic education OK in California classrooms", you can read Daniels article on there.

The search on CNN is just a Google search. The story itself isn't on CNN. Nor is it on any other reputable news source. The only sites it's coming up on are religous and right winged sites. Furthermore, I searched for Daniel Pipes and couldn't find any stories written by him that were on the actual CNN site.

These are stories hyped up to support the Christian agenda.

Regardless, no teacher should leave any sort of mark on a child. Period.

[simeon]

Uhmmm...you're kidding right. I've slammed many others on here for quoting the World Net Daily. I don't label those that disagree with me racist. I label racists as racists. Especially when they say, "I don't care if it's racist...blah blah blah." I will always applaud a young boy for spitting on a racist cop. I would like to take him out for ice cream.

The search on CNN is just a Google search. The story itself isn't on CNN. Nor is it on any other reputable news source. The only sites it's coming up on are religous and right winged sites. Furthermore, I searched for Daniel Pipes and couldn't find any stories written by him that were on the actual CNN site.

These are stories hyped up to support the Christian agenda.

Regardless, no teacher should leave any sort of mark on a child. Period.

Ok Buddahgirl you are correct this never happened, and religion is not not taught in schools, I am so glad you researched this, including researching the lawsuit filed, but it never happened.
Nobody is disagreeing about the mark, I wouldn't want it on my kids, I would have been upset and wanted to speak to the teacher on this issue. This man deserves to lose his job, but don't bet your bottom dollar he doesn't get hired by a private school immediately.

[Buddhagirl]

Ok Buddahgirl you are correct this never happened, and religion is not not taught in schools, I am so glad you researched this, including researching the lawsuit filed, but it never happened.
Nobody is disagreeing about the mark, I wouldn't want it on my kids, I would have been upset and wanted to speak to the teacher on this issue. This man deserves to lose his job, but don't bet your bottom dollar he doesn't get hired by a private school immediately.

I tried to pull up anything about the lawsuit that wasn't on a religous site and couldn't. What am I supposed to gather from that? This would be a HUGE story if it were true. I should've seen it on Yahoo, BBC, NBC, etc.

I've never said that there isn't religion being taught in school. I don't understand where you get that idea from. I said that there should NEVER be any religion taught in school. Period. However, I have no problem with them teaching children about other cultures.

[simeon]

I tried to pull up anything about the lawsuit that wasn't on a religous site and couldn't. What am I supposed to gather from that? This would be a HUGE story if it were true. I should've seen it on Yahoo, BBC, NBC, etc.

I've never said that there isn't religion being taught in school. I don't understand where you get that idea from. I said that there should NEVER be any religion taught in school. Period. However, I have no problem with them teaching children about other cultures.

All those sites did not get together to make up a story, though I do admit the big news organizations do it. But I am going to agree with you, religion shouldn't be taught in public schools, this should be the parents and church responsibility. As far as teaching cultures, there is a fine line, take for example the muslim faith in public schools, they claim they are teaching culture instead of religion. I think it's a slippery slope, and I believe parents should know what is being taught. Culture is fine as long as the religious believes aren't included. So do you favor the culture of the Hebrew people being taught in school ? A major part of their culture is their Jewish faith.

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You're right about some cultures being so intertwined with religion that it's hard to differentiate where one ends and the other begins.

It's all falls under "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" that is being taught in our schools.  Done properly, they can be positive experiences but even then someone will probably complain.   The line between teaching about a different culture/religion and pushing it is probably different for all of us.

Of course, had John Freshwater properly demonstrated a high frequency generator we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Sunstroke]

All those sites did not get together to make up a story, though I do admit the big news organizations do it.

So the big network news agencies fabricate stories, but not the smaller religious-based sites?

Simeon, you crack me up sometimes...but I have faith that someday you'll get a clue.