Teacher burns cross on student's arm

[Dave Gray]

I don't believe that not wanting a teacher to touch my child is 'over-reacting' in any sense of the word.

I think it is.  Teachers touch you all the time, between handshakes, pats on the back, high fives, etc.  I think that there's a great distinction in the kind of touch we're talking about, from harm or other forms of inappropriate touch.

Kids don't live in a bubble.  Neither do teachers.  They should maintain a professional environment, but they're all people that are interacting, and touch is a way of doing that.

[MaineDolFan]

Dave - we are getting ultra nit picky here and starting to deal with semantics.  There is a huge difference between shaking my child's hand versus using something on her arm that leaves a mark...one that takes a couple months to go away.

Saying "great job" and giving her a hi-five doesn't do this:



I want one clear and simple thing when my child goes to school: to be educated.  You don't need to do something like this to educate a child.  I would have been pissed if my child came home with this on their arm as well.  Again - if that teacher wants to do this on HIS arm to show how the piece of equipment works, go ahead.  It's your arm.  Leave my kid's arm alone.

[CF DolFan]

That's the first time I have paid attention to the picture.  I'm not sure about the rest of you but I wouldn't have even thought of that as a cross.

Just wondering ... I wonder if he allowed the kids to do that to themseves or if he actually did it? Would it make a difference to you?

[Dave Gray]

Dave - we are getting ultra nit picky here and starting to deal with semantics.  There is a huge difference between shaking my child's hand versus using something on her arm that leaves a mark...one that takes a couple months to go away.

Of course there is, just as there's a difference between harming your child and what has happened here.  That's the point I'm illustrating.

In my opinion, you ARE over-reacting.  You're talking about going in and beating up a teacher and going to jail for a non-harmful, temporary mark on a kid's arm.  I just don't think it's a big deal.

Maybe I'm under-reacting.

[Guru-In-Vegas]

That's the first time I have paid attention to the picture.  I'm not sure about the rest of you but I wouldn't have even thought of that as a cross.

Just wondering ... I wonder if he allowed the kids to do that to themseves or if he actually did it? Would it make a difference to you?

No, I wouldn't think cross.  But the second someone tells me this guy preaches Christianity in the classroom and anti-evolution rhetoric, I would.  That would piss me off more than anything.  "WTF is this guy teaching this in a SCIENCE CLASS for?!" 

Marking a child let alone one of your students whom I'm assuming are minors, is pretty ballsy.  You need parental consent when they get something as trivial as an ear piercing, and this guy is marking them.  Even if they "volunteered" to get the "marking" it is still way beyond their own reach and especially his.  Harmless or not you wouldn't want some asshole drawing a pentagram on your kid's forehead, would you?

As for the last sentence in the article, it kind of had me puzzled as well but I gathered that it meant to say it doesn't work in order to argue against evolution. Other findings show that Freshwater taught that carbon dating was unreliable (<insert comma> in order) to argue against evolution.

[run_to_win]

I don't want anyone harming, threatening, or intimidating my children (or anyone's children. Short of that, though, to me, there's a bit of crying wolf to freaking out over non-issues.  In this case, nobody got hurt, and assuming there was no mal-intent, it's no big deal.  I doesn't sound from the tone of this article that this was done through authority or that it was some kind of punishment.

Amen.

"Harm, threaten and intimidate" are much more specific than touch.

Should be fun the first day the little one comes home with dirty britches.  "WHY DIDN'T YOU CHANGE MY CHILD!"  "Umm, because I didn't want to get beat up!"

[bsmooth]

This makes no sense.
This doesn't make a lot of sense either.  Are you sure you didn't respond to the wrong post?

Simeon got it, but then again I did not expect you to.
There had to be many other options to demonstrate this machine that other labs use that does not involve the use of human flesh as a tapestry.
Both CF and Sim, who are clearly two of the biggest chritians supporters on this board have been more ration and understanding about this than you have, and I can understand their worry about their faith being labeled by incidents like this. You are just once again using a story to rant about bad liberals.

[simeon]

Simeon got it, but then again I did not expect you to.
There had to be many other options to demonstrate this machine that other labs use that does not involve the use of human flesh as a tapestry.
Both CF and Sim, who are clearly two of the biggest Christians supporters on this board have been more ration and understanding about this than you have, and I can understand their worry about their faith being labeled by incidents like this. You are just once again using a story to rant about bad liberals.

Thank you, yes I do believe this was wrong, I don't care if it was a cross or smiley face.
I have read many hypocritical post on here and name calling also.
If you chose the science of creation over the theories of evolution you are crazy. If you quote a case in California and only Christian sites post about it, then its a lie.
I think we should stick to the issue instead of attacking people for their believes.
I am sure this teacher is not the only one to make marks on a student with a high frequency generator, you may be surprised how often it does happen. I am sure if we all thought back to our school years, a teacher did something or allowed something to happen that wasn't appropriate. I remember science and survival class they made us climb a ladder then fall back wards into the hands of the students, it was to teach us to trust one and another, but what if they didn't catch me or someone else ?

[run_to_win]

Simeon got it, but then again I did not expect you to.

Same ol' BS mooth.

There had to be many other options to demonstrate this machine that other labs use that does not involve the use of human flesh as a tapestry.
Both CF and Sim, who are clearly two of the biggest chritians supporters on this board have been more ration and understanding about this than you have, and I can understand their worry about their faith being labeled by incidents like this. You are just once again using a story to rant about bad liberals.

Do you even bother to read my posts before you respond to them or do you just respond to what you hope I said?

[Phishfan]

I remember science and survival class

Science and survival class? What kind of school was this?

[simeon]

It was a public school and great class, it was one of my favorite.
They taught you science of plants and climates, and then teach you the best way to survive in certain conditions. Here is an example, how to dig a snow cave, how to build a net to catch fish, and what plants you can and can not eat. It was fun.

[Sunstroke]

That's the first time I have paid attention to the picture.  I'm not sure about the rest of you but I wouldn't have even thought of that as a cross.

That's the first time I've paid much attention to the photo as well, and given the rest of the details of the story, I have a hard time seeing anything BUT a cross there.

I'm in Maine's camp on this one... You don't mark my child, whether by heat or generated frequencies. It's not part of the educational process I'd want for my child. I probably wouldn't beat up the teacher, but I might take a curling iron and draw a rough pentagram in the middle of his forehead.

[Phishfan]

It was a public school and great class, it was one of my favorite.
They taught you science of plants and climates, and then teach you the best way to survive in certain conditions. Here is an example, how to dig a snow cave, how to build a net to catch fish, and what plants you can and can not eat. It was fun.

Sounds cool and progressive, but I have never heard of a curriculum like it. As much time as I spent outdoors I would have loved it.

[simeon]

Not sure how progressive it was, I took this class back in 1983, not even sure if its around anymore. But it was neat learning what plants you can eat, and some you can boil into a drink, man that was so long ago...The rock climbing was fun.

[CF DolFan]

That's the first time I've paid much attention to the photo as well, and given the rest of the details of the story, I have a hard time seeing anything BUT a cross there.

It's far from being in proportion or consistant as there isn't anything on top of where it crosses.  The small portion that extends to the right isn't nearly as defined as the one that protrudes to the left. Do I see a cross when I want too? Yes but it would not have been "my" first choice.  I thought it was more of several a random marks.