MCCAIN OFFERS $300 MILLION FOR NEW AUTO BATTERY

[Dave Gray]

  What host?

I don't know the guy's name, but he's a regular, on during the afternoon shift, before primetime.  One of his guests today was Karl Rove, and the other was a younger guy supporting McCain's $300 million offer.

[run_to_win]

This is exactly what we need.  EXACTLY.  This partisian politics crap has to stop.  Both parties need to come together and do what's best for the country, rather than put their own selfish interests first.

What does partisan politics have to do with on-going battery research.

Several companies are already competing to build better batteries for this purpose.   $300 mil is a lot of money, but a patent for a new super battery could be worth billions.

1. Get the soldiers out of Iraq.

Finish the mission first (WWI, WWII, Desert Storm) or just cut and run (Vietnam, Beruit, Somalia)?

2. Start drilling for oil in Alaska.

Just think what a little foresight 10 years ago would be doing for us now.  Increasing refinery capacity should also be considered.

3. Institute programs like the one mentioned in this thread, in order to decrease U.S. dependency on oil. 

It's a good thought but people are already working on it.  Throwing money at the problem isn't the answer.  I mean, if $300 mil makes someone invent a better then why not raise the reward to $300 bil so they invent a pollution free hover car?  Make the reward $300 tril and they'd be able to invent transporter technology and we could do away with transportation all together - right?

4. Incorporate a national sales tax to pay for the war in Iraq and then eradicate the national debt.  That way, Social Security won't go broke by the time people like us reach retirement age.

Why not just cut spending ... drastically.  Starve the government beast. 

Or, how about a voluntary tax?  Let's see people who want to increase taxes walk the walk.   

5. Incorporate a national crime bill to make sure felons are punished exactly how they deserve.

Yay! If some of the people who serve our country have to "hot bunk" (sharing a bunk - 1 sleeps while the other is on duty) then why not felons?  This alone would double prison capacity.

6.  Deport all illegal aliens, and hand out lengthy prison sentences to people who smuggle them in, as well as to people who "sell" them Social Security Numbers.

Yay!

[bsmooth]

Finish the mission first (WWI, WWII, Desert Storm) or just cut and run (Vietnam, Beruit, Somalia)?

Stop drinking the kool aid. If you want us to fight so badly then volunteer, or stfu. There is no true "mission" over there, it changes daily along with many other things. Hell it has changed since we first started it. Hate to tell you but the soldiers who have been there consider it Nam 2.0, which is why they get along with Nam vets better than WWII and Korean as the fighting is similar. So the whole "cut and run" mantra is bullshit started by spin doctors to feed to their sheep.

[CF DolFan]

Stop drinking the kool aid. If you want us to fight so badly then volunteer, or stfu. There is no true "mission" over there, it changes daily along with many other things. Hell it has changed since we first started it. Hate to tell you but the soldiers who have been there consider it Nam 2.0, which is why they get along with Nam vets better than WWII and Korean as the fighting is similar. So the whole "cut and run" mantra is bullshit started by spin doctors to feed to their sheep.

At this point ... is anyone over there that didn't volunteer? This group of soldiers doesn't compare to the "I just joined for the college money" kids that were against going over in the first place ... and that was only a very small percentage. The whole "why aren't you over there" thing is a really lame argument for whether it is right or wrong to be there or pull out without securing what we have established.

[Defense54]

We are accomplishing nothing over there. Say what you want about Sadamn but you needed a MotherFer over there like that to get things done. Our ways of playing nicey nice will just get soldiers killed. Those people just don't understand anything less then the way Sadamn did business.  If G Bush and his goddamn ego could have understand that we NEEDED Sadamn and his ways over there to keep Law and order we would have been 10-4. Not only did he keep the animals at bay, he also was next door to maybe out biggest enemy, IRAN.

Oopps.......I'd like to add more but what I'm discussing doesn't match the thread title (seems you can only have answers that match the thread title around here)  So I'll leave it at that so a perfectly good conversation doesn't get Locked. 

[run_to_win]

Stop drinking the kool aid. If you want us to fight so badly then volunteer, or stfu. There is no true "mission" over there, it changes daily along with many other things. Hell it has changed since we first started it. Hate to tell you but the soldiers who have been there consider it Nam 2.0, which is why they get along with Nam vets better than WWII and Korean as the fighting is similar. So the whole "cut and run" mantra is bullshit started by spin doctors to feed to their sheep.

Same ol' BS mooth. 

I just asked a question.

Let me rephrase ... do you care about the situation we leave behind or not.  If Iraq turns into something 10x worse than Iran after we leave, will you blame that on Bush too?

The more good news/less bad news that comes out of Iraq the more people seem to want us to leave.  It's almost as if they're worried that we'll succeed and Bush will get the credit.

[Dave Gray]

No more Iraq talk in this thread, please.  I created a new thread for it.  This thread is about the McCain - Battery offer.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Yay! If some of the people who serve our country have to "hot bunk" (sharing a bunk - 1 sleeps while the other is on duty) then why not felons?  This alone would double prison capacity.

Then put them to work building more prisons.  Better yet, make them sleep outside in the elements like Joe Arapaio (The Toughest Sheriff in America) does in Phoenix. 

[DolFan619]

I don't know the guy's name, but he's a regular, on during the afternoon shift, before primetime.  One of his guests today was Karl Rove, and the other was a younger guy supporting McCain's $300 million offer.

  It was probably Shepard Smith or Neil Cavuto.

[Guru-In-Vegas]

After thinking about this earlier today, I began to wonder how much of this is actually just a bullshit political move.  Like a "Hey, people! I care about your shitty lives enough to mention that I'm planning on doing something about $93/pint gasoline!  Here's my 'plan'"  I mean something just to grab headlines and have people admire such "progress" or "innovation" like this

But sounds like a good idea.  Progress!  Innovation!  Being promoted by the government?  What else is next?

Like someone with the golden egg of an idea has been waiting for an opportunity like this.  "YES! Finally I can sell this shit!" 

I don't know.  Maybe I'm just jaded.  But this looks like it'll be used in a "what have you proposed, Barack?" slogan.

[Dave Gray]

Neil Cavuto.

Yeah, that was him.

BTW, that Shepard Smith guy gives me the willies.  He looks like a ghoul.

[Dave Gray]

After thinking about this earlier today, I began to wonder how much of this is actually just a bullshit political move.  Like a "Hey, people! I care about your shitty lives enough to mention that I'm planning on doing something about $93/pint gasoline!  Here's my 'plan'"  I mean something just to grab headlines and have people admire such "progress" or "innovation" like this

So what if it is?

Politicians are all going to bring up things, promises, ideas, etc. that they won't be able to keep.  But it's better that he's proposing things that will help us, even if they don't end up coming to fruition.  It gets those topics in the public forum more, and changes may be made later.

Even if McCain is just doing this for political gain, good for him.

[Guru-In-Vegas]

^ I'm with you.  Only up to the political gain part though. 

I feel like its great that innovation is promoted, as well as finding solutions to better lives which includes the environment.  Bringing concerns that are affecting the overwhelming majority to the forefront is an excellent start to finding a solution.  However, I don't feel the same way if he's just doing it for political gain. 

I don't know why I picture a cheesy (that's my word of the month) 80's movie where some popular kid is running for class president and promises to let the kids run the school or some corny shit like that.  Cheering ensues by the kids "Yeeeeah!!" as a montage depicts the kids rushing to the polls and voting with crappy drum and keyboard music in the background...-ANYWAYS-...I think there is a big difference from a candidate blowing smoke up people's asses and actually following through to see that one of his "promises" get realized. 

Why not just grant that money into research that would be sure to produce results?  Hell, if he set aside 600 million (2 bucks a person) for that kind of research, I'm sure SOMETHING will come out of it.  I really can't help but feel that this is a bit gimmicky (is that even a word?)

[Dave Gray]

Gimmicky?  Sure, probably.

But just last year, environmental issues were completely overlooked by much of the country.  Many didn't believe in Global Warming, etc.  Even having a candidate from the GOP address some of those things, whether or not he'll actually be able to do anything, is a step in the right direction.