pennington to miami??

[fyo]

It SHOULD be McCown - Beck has WAY more potential up-side.  But, it will be Beck cause he's not Parcells' guy.

Not only SHOULD it be McCown, it WILL be McCown. Providing Pennington is signed at all, of course.

Pennington is a slight upgrade from McCown, maybe. More importantly, he's a lot smarter.

In any event, neither Pennington nor McCown is the "solution" to Miami's problems at quarterback. The reason it's CRITICAL to have one of them (i.e. a veteran) is in case Beck isn't good enough to allow the team to develop around him. And, no, it doesn't matter how good Henne is. He shouldn't start. Period.

We simply cannot let the rest of the offense languish just because our quarterback sucks. Sure, we need to develop our young guys, but you NEVER stick in your rookie quarterback on a bad team. And if Beck turns out to be so bad that the rest of the offense can't develop, then McCown/Pennington needs to take his place.

[Phishfan]

I can explain it. 

The Dolphins should not start the QB (that because of NFL experience) has the best chance of the Dolphins beating the Jets (and Farve) week 1.  But should start the player that if given 16 games of experience would give the Dolphins the best chance to win games in 2009 (and which the Dolphins have signed thru 2010). That means assessing the QBs skill and potential not their experience and past performance. 

This is a rebuilding year for the Dolphins. 

That QB is Chad Henne and I am not sure starting him week 1 is the best idea. Parcells is likely to agree with that accessment as well, so why not bring in an actual mentor. I wouldn't trust McCown to mentor Henne's jock strap.

[simeon]

Listen Beck has looked terrible in practice, and so has McCown. This has sent the Dolphins organization into looking for any other answer at QB. Yes I believe the future is Henne and Beck was a waste of a pick just like Ginn was. I am not thrilled about the possibility of Pennington coming to Miami, I agree he has a weak arm and is injury prone, there must be a better answer then this, I also agree we need to stop bringing in the one year journey men, and start building now for tomorrow.

[Rick]

On an entirely different note, let's assume the Dolphins do bring in Pennington.  Who's the odd man out?  Beck or McCown, and why?  Some people are saying Beck's gone, and other's say McCown.   

  John Beck should get the boot from this team....Beck has proven he is not cut out to be an NFL quarterback....The only time he has played well in training camp is when he has worked with the third team offense and their hasn't been much of a pass rush in his face.  He is a pansy, who takes alot of sacks and turns the ball over way too much.   Cut Beck and let him join Camoron and family in Baltimore.

  At least with McCown and Pennington, you have 2 guys who have WON football games in the NFL....if Chad Pennington goes down early in the year, McCown can step in and be a serviceable back-up until Chad Henne is ready to play around week 10 or so....Then the Chad Henne era will begin in Miami and we will all be very happy for many, many years to come!!!

 

[Brian Fein]

Its prett yclear who's thinking with their head and who's thinking with their heart.

The truth is that none of you know what Beck can do, but half of you are ready to run his ass out of town.

you NEVER stick in your rookie quarterback on a bad team.

This is the truth and this is what you're all basing your "we hate John Beck" bandwagon on.  Its sad - Peyton Manning would have had the same performance as Beck did on that team last season.

The starting QB on the roster now is McCown.  Beck will be ready when McCown gets hurt (Because he will).  If you want to replace McCown with Pennington - whatever - its the same crap to me.  Henne should hold the clipboard every game.

Jeff Ireland on the radio yesterday was optimistic about Beck, and said that his performance has improved and his consistency has leveled out.  It sounded like he's the front-runner for the job right now.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Peyton Manning would have had the same performance as Beck did on that team last season.

Peyton's first season he went 3-13. 

There are two theories regarding the best way to prepare your rookie QB for next year.  One method the way is to  become a starter year one and hope for the best (Peyton/Rothesburger/Marino).  Or spend some time with the clip board  (Brady/Romo).

I think the best way to learn is to play. 

[CF DolFan]

Has anyone been paying attention to anything other than their own opinion?  Beck is the only QB who continues to show improvement in camp. He has always been the most accurate without the rush.  Henne is doing fine too but "I" still believe the job will be Beck's to lose this season.

Parcells told CBS-4 reporter Lesley Visser on Thursday that he wouldn't dismiss bringing Pennington to the Dolphins.

"I never rule out anything, but what people have to realize about Miami is where in this world we are right now," Parcells said. "We're trying to build this team preferably with young players that could maybe grow up together, and by the time we're finished, we hope we have a pretty good product and that the maturing didn't take that long."

No matter what vet they bring in this quote certainly isn't a ringing endorsement from Bill.

[Doc-phin]

The other thing I noticed about Beck was the immediate tone set against him by these camp reporters.  The reports weren't very objective.  They criticized the check down throws, but who says that it wasn't what the coaches were asking him to do.  The reporters obviously want flashy.  This team is being built for ball control, not flash.  Beside that, I could understand any QB struggling with a 3 second clock for a while. 

I would say wait for a significant amount of play in preseason before calling for Beck's head.  Too much is being put into these blogs which are nice to read but mean squat.

[Phishfan]

Peyton's first season he went 3-13. 

There are two theories regarding the best way to prepare your rookie QB for next year.  One method the way is to  become a starter year one and hope for the best (Peyton/Rothesburger/Marino).  Or spend some time with the clip board  (Brady/Romo).

I think the best way to learn is to play. 

Marino didn't start until week six and I bet iwas more ready then Henne. I say wait until week 8 or later and see what is happening before we throw Henne in.

[CF DolFan]

The other thing I noticed about Beck was the immediate tone set against him by these camp reporters.  The reports weren't very objective.  They criticized the check down throws, but who says that it wasn't what the coaches were asking him to do.  The reporters obviously want flashy.  This team is being built for ball control, not flash.  Beside that, I could understand any QB struggling with a 3 second clock for a while. 

I would say wait for a significant amount of play in preseason before calling for Beck's head.  Too much is being put into these blogs which are nice to read but mean squat.

It seems like the media just assumed he wasn't Bill's guy and made him target number one while they do just the opposite for Henne who they try and justify because he is Bill's guy. Someone actually wrote a blog on this subject a week or so ago.  I tried to find it but I can't seem to find it right now.  

[Tenshot13]

The funny thing is come saturday night after the bucs/phins game EVERYONE's opinion will change on our QB situation  Also remember Henne was a four year starter in college at a high profile school.  He maybe ready sooner than anyone thinks.  Regardless, we'll find out tomorrow night!

[fyo]

I think the best way to learn is to play. 

Statistically, you're wrong.

On average, quarterbacks who are asked to start during their rookie season wind up having significantly worse careers than those who spend a year holding a clip board. I don't know why this is, I really don't, but the effect is quite clear. If you furthermore look at BAD teams, the correlation is HUGE. Starting a rookie quarterback for a BAD team is the worst thing you can do for that quarterbacks career. (And this isn't just because starting for a bad team is, in itself, bad... second-year quarterbacks starting for bad teams have significantly better average careers than the rookies).

I really don't see any way Sparano throws Henne out there unless our O-line is rock solid... and, judging from camp, that doesn't exactly look like it's the case.

[CF DolFan]

The funny thing is come saturday night after the bucs/phins game EVERYONE's opinion will change on our QB situation  Also remember Henne was a four year starter in college at a high profile school.  He maybe ready sooner than anyone thinks.  Regardless, we'll find out tomorrow night!

I agree about the change of opinion.  It happens after every single game about players and coaches.

[ethurst2]

Marino didn't start until week six and I bet iwas more ready then Henne. I say wait until week 8 or later and see what is happening before we throw Henne in.

You're right Phish. There were four elements that helped Dan Marino right out of the gate.

1.  Don Shula did the smartest thing I've ever seen a coach do. He let Marino call his own plays in practice and exhibition games.

2.  Marino had the luxury of an All-Pro Center (Dwight Stephenson), and All Pro Guard (Kuechenberg), Roy Foster and Jon Giesler. That was a Pro Bowl line that even David Woodley went to the Super Bowl with.

3. Every position on offense had an impact player. You had Duper and Clayton, Tony Nathan, Nat Moore, Cefalo, Bruce Hardy. Marino was fortunate to have the weapons that he had.

4. Marino was considered a quarterback who "pushed" the ball. Shula didn't mess with his mechanics. Marino practically invented the art of throwing the ball to the receivers back shoulder and letting them adjust to it in which DB's had no chance at all to defend the play.

Marino was rare in throwing the football but if you would have put him on lets say, the Colts that year, he probably would have struggled a lot.

These guys in camp now are trying to develop under a system that is unstable. Sparano would have to work a miracle this year with the O-line for the offense to make a difference in games.

[Thundergod]

I think the best way to learn is to play. 

You and I are on the same boat Hoodie. I've always believed in that.

Take your bumps and bruises, you're a professional now. It's called learning. The only way to iron out the kinks and learn from mistakes. If a player is "scarred" then I don't think this level of football was meant for him. I don't see the point in standing on the sidelines for a year, "being mentored?" please, only to go into the second year as literally a rookie and subsequently throwing away that season too while he actually plays. Who's to say that line will be any better or worse that second year? Or that he doesn't get "scarred" actually playing said year? Throw the MF'er in half way through this throw away season (after the dude learns a bit of the playbook), it's not like this team's on the brink of the Super Bowl. You're developing every other rookie position except the most important one... QB, I don't get it.

I want to go on record that I was against the whole Trent Green fiasco last year, I wanted to see Beck play, hell, I wanted to see him play earlier in the season. I aslo want to go on record that I about puked when I heard BP signed McCown to the team earlier this year, and I hoped to see Beck start this season to see more of the guy. I'm far from a Beck fan, but we have to see what we got for a second round pick, and now grabbing Pennington.... oooooohhhhhhh  GOD! BP is the equivalent of Pat Riley with his love of veterans. Looks like McCown's contract is being eaten this year...