For those that laughed when I said we should draft Colt Brennan........

[fyo]

Brennan's technique is AWFUL, but he plays with good instincts. Judging by the preseason game, he forces throws a lot... in fact, he reminds me a lot of Brett Favre, although the technique is a lot worse (which is really saying something) and the arm strength (although decent) significantly lower.

Brennan is a real developmental project. Give him a few years of good coaching and he might turn out to be a gem, if he puts in the (enormous) effort. The problem with project QBs in the NFL is that they don't get any playing time. This is where a minor league would be really helpful... (UFL?)

[Defense54]

 The problem with project QBs in the NFL is that they don't get any playing time. This is where a minor league would be really helpful... (UFL?)
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That's what College is for. And he excelled there. He went about as far as you can go there and was ready to move to the next level. Whether he can handle it remains to be seen, but I'm telling ya , after he puts on a little size and adds some strength and conditioning at the Pro level......he's gonna be dangerous. He's got the instincts and that's something you can't add or teach.

[Thundergod]

^^^

Seriously. The way I look at it, you absolutely DESTROY opponents when they're supposed to be weaker than you. He did just that. Had he struggled or just looked average at best in those college games against that weak conference, I can see him not making a big splash at the pro level.

[fyo]

That's what College is for.

Sure, but it' not uncommon for rookies to sit 1 or 2 YEARS without playing a single snap in a game that matters. And that's just the rookies drafted in the top rounds...

[Defense54]

^^^

Seriously. The way I look at it, you absolutely DESTROY opponents when they're supposed to be weaker than you. He did just that. Had he struggled or just looked average at best in those college games against that weak conference, I can see him not making a big splash at the pro level.

My Thoughts exactly. Had he had been a few inches taller and maybe 30 pounds heavier he would have been a first round prospect. He also had that character incident in his freshman year but he's been on the straight and narrow since. Again I do not think he was worth less then a 4th round gamble........but the Redskins should be arrested for grand theft for getting him in the 6th round.

[fyo]

My Thoughts exactly. Had he had been a few inches taller and maybe 30 pounds heavier he would have been a first round prospect.

No, his size had nothing to do with not being a first-round prospect. His playing for Hawaii, however, had everything to do with it.

Btw, just to harp on this size thing a bit... a few people have been going nuts on Beck for his lack of size, which is ironic considering most of the same people were saying we should've drafted Quinn. Well, Quinn and Beck are both 6-2 (Brennan is 6-3). You know who else is 6-2? Kurt Warner, one of the best pocket passers in the game. Doesn't seem like he has a problem seeing over his line, now does it?

Tony Romo is also 6-2. Even Brett 'freakin' Favre is 6-2. So is his replacement in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers. Donovan McNabb is 6-2.

The Chiefs' hope of the future, Brody Croyle, is SHORTER at only 6-1 (and barely over 200 pounds). David Gerrard is 6-1 as well. Jeff Garcia is 6-1 and he's been pretty good, although you'd think his career is on its last legs.

Drew Brees, who's a pretty decent quarterback (we should be so lucky), is even shorter than those guys: 6 feet exactly.

(And I'm not going to get into 5-10 Doug Flutie here...)

So Beck may suck... fine, believe that if you want... and Brennan may never amount to anything... but HEIGHT is not the issue. Yeah, I know, not the thread for the Beck stuff, but the reporters (and couple of guys on this board) who are saying Beck isn't tall enough... that's just asinine. If you're going to criticize someone, base it on FACTS not BULLSHIT.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

No, his size had nothing to do with not being a first-round prospect. His playing for Hawaii, however, had everything to do with it.

QFT. 

He played in the WAC conference, which is known for being an offensive powerhouse and a defensive wasteland. 

He never faced any really good defenses until that Sugar Bowl game against Georgia.  And we all know what happened there. 

[Defense54]

 

and Brennan may never amount to anything... but HEIGHT is not the issue. Yeah, I know, not the thread for the Beck stuff, but the reporters (and couple of guys on this board) who are saying Beck isn't tall enough... that's just asinine. If you're going to criticize someone, base it on FACTS not BULLSHIT.
 

Are you shitting me?  I never once said that size would hold him back. In fact I have been praising him all along regardless of his physical appearance. But when it comes to the draft they DEFINITELY take that into account. One of the main reasons Zack Thomas was a 6th round pick was because of his size. That same thing went for Jason Taylor.  They said they would never amount to anything because of their size.

So how is stating Colt's lack of Ideal size ( I remember an article before the draft stating that Colt looked like a high School player next to the Competition) had something to do with his draft placement bullshit and not factual? (6th round) That along with his trouble freshman year played a big part in his not going on the first day of the draft.

[fyo]

Are you shitting me?  I never once said that size would hold him back. In fact I have been praising him all along regardless of his physical appearance. But when it comes to the draft they DEFINITELY take that into account. One of the main reasons Zack Thomas was a 6th round pick was because of his size. That same thing went for Jason Taylor.  They said they would never amount to anything because of their size.

So how is stating Colt's lack of Ideal size ( I remember an article before the draft stating that Colt looked like a high School player next to the Competition) had something to do with his draft placement bullshit and not factual? (6th round) That along with his trouble freshman year played a big part in his not going on the first day of the draft.

As indicated in the part you quoted (!), I was referring to Beck when I went off on my rant there

As for Colt, though... sure, if he had been JaMarcus Russel 6' 6", scouts would've looked at him completely different. I disagree with the "ideal size", though, and, OK, you might be right... maybe his size hurt him and he would've gone a round or two earlier if he'd been a little taller. To suggest 2 inches would've propelled him from the 6th to the 1st round, though... that's questionable.

Brennan is pretty much exactly average height for an NFL quarterback. What determined his draft position was primarily the fact that he played for HAWAII.

He *might*be good. He's exactly the kind of quarterback *I* would take a shot on in the later rounds (going by stats - the verdict on his technique is that it's absolutely horrendous). The fundamental problem with him is... no one knows. He only faced a decent defense once and he didn't do well. Other than that, all that's left is "demolishes poor defenses" and "bad technique".

Bad technique can be overcome. Some quarterbacks thrive in spite of it and it's not like the technique cannot be adjusted, given good coaching and a lot of patience.

Right now, the type of quarterback Brennan is, I don't see his size having ANYTHING to do with what's holding him back.

[Defense54]

I think he weighed in at like 181 at the combine.  He was very thin and small looking next to the competition. But I think he's bulked up since then to around 205. At his height the knock on him is being not able to take a hit from a NFL sized defender.

[fyo]

I think he weighed in at like 181 at the combine.

Ouch. That's down-right skinny for an NFL quarterback. I didn't see combine footage of him, so I'm not going to dispute that number, but just point out that the scout.com had him at 201lb in his draft profile.

[Defense54]

I can't find the articles I read about it but here is a thread verifying his weight gain since the Senior Bowl.

http://www.pewterreport.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=807771bf6ac9c84bdbf2b3ce046b9bca&topic=20034.msg414951

I think it definitely played a part in his low Draft stock. But Washington is going to make out on that !!

[bsmooth]

I just look at where the last record breaking qb from Hawaii wound up. Oh yeah I think he is out of the league. Lets not even bring up the U of Houston qb's and their huge numbers.
Even as a 6th rounder he still has a lot to prove that he was worth that high.

[Defense54]

I just look at where the last record breaking qb from Hawaii wound up. Oh yeah I think he is out of the league. Lets not even bring up the U of Houston qb's and their huge numbers.
Even as a 6th rounder he still has a lot to prove that he was worth that high.

I shouldn't even be responding to this comment.  Are you saying that you need to be from a big school to be successful?  He definitely has a ways to go, I never said you have to start fitting him for his Canton jacket or anything...........but he not going to be bounced out working in home depo either in a few years either.

[Kirbyjr]

Colt Brennan is garbage. The guy is putting up numbers on 3rd string competition. Brennan and Andre Woodson stock fell faster than enron's this past offseason. Brennan was exposed in the sugar bowl against georgia. He player in a gimmick system which dosen't translate to the pro's. Plus he plays for the deadskins, so i hope his career goes into the toilet.

 
I wont go as far to say Colt is garbage, but were you not the same person that wanted the Dolphins to pick up Quincy Carter?  Talk about gimmick QB's, all Quincy can do is run the option, and that has proved not to get him very far on the next level.  I would take Colt as a project any day over Carter.  I will give you Colt played in a "pass happy system", but does this also mean that when Tim Tebow turns pro, teams should shy away from him because he plays in a "gimmic system?"