Bad call screws San Diego

[simeon]

Toward the end of the game Cutler went to throw but the ball slipped out of his hands and San Diego recovers it.
The ref goes under the hood, sure enough it's a fumble then comes, Denver fumbled but a whistle was blown giving Denver back the ball. This lead Denver to a victory. So here is my question. Shouldn't this dumb rule be changed, it was obvious the Chargers recovered the ball. I might be wrong but if a whistle was blown why was the play reviewed to begin with ?
I thought all plays ended by a blown whistle are non re viewable, but why ? The ref's do make mistakes and they made a really big on in this game. I haven't seen a call as bad as this once since Brady fumbled against the Raiders in the playoffs but got the ball back, and then won the game. I am not trying to take anything away from Denver after all they did score and then went for a 2 pointer to win the game instead of a tie. But I was surprised to here Jay Cutler on ESPN admit this rule should be changed this year or next year. What do you say ?

[YoFuggedaboutit]

The ref, Ed Hochuli, admitted afterwards that him and his crew blew that call.   

And you wonder why I'm all for players retaliating against refs for dumb calls like this. 

[CF DolFan]

The ref, Ed Hochuli, admitted afterwards that him and his crew blew that call.   

And you wonder why I'm all for players retaliating against refs for dumb calls like this. 

Is it because the players didn't make any mistakes?

Anyone who attacks refs has never refed or umpired a game.  It's impossible to get everything correct.  That's why they get graded.  No one grades out 100%.  They do the best they can but at the end of the day they are still human.

The only way you do not make mistakes is to not do anything.  If you are doing something you are going to make mistakes.

[simeon]

Is it because the players didn't make any mistakes?

Anyone who attacks refs has never refed or umpired a game.  It's impossible to get everything correct.  That's why they get graded.  No one grades out 100%.  They do the best they can but at the end of the day they are still human.

The only way you do not make mistakes is to not do anything.  If you are doing something you are going to make mistakes.

CF I know you make great arguments on the board,but why have instant reply ? The play was reviewed which means a whistle wasn't blown, because if it was blown it would not be re viewable. Even if a so called whistle was blown shouldn't the rule be changed ?

[jtex316]

Surprisingly, of all the referees, old ass Bernie Kukar went either the entire 2003 or 2004 season 100% - he and his entire crew did not miss 1 single call the entire season - so he got to ref the Super Bowl. He was already a million years old, too.

[jtex316]

...Kukar may have done the NE / STL Super Bowl actually. Pat Summerall's last game as lead announcer for Fox

[CF DolFan]

CF I know you make great arguments on the board,but why have instant reply ? The play was reviewed which means a whistle wasn't blown, because if it was blown it would not be re viewable. Even if a so called whistle was blown shouldn't the rule be changed ?

He was shown to have blown the whistle in the replays and that's the rule ... dead ball because of a premature whistle.   It's one of those things that is going to eventually happen because people make mistakes.  It happens.  Even if the rule was changed, the opposite circumstance would eventually happen and a team that should get the ball would quit after hearing the premature whistle. 

Jtex ... that is pretty impresive. I didn't realize that.

[simeon]

He was shown to have blown the whistle in the replays and that's the rule ... dead ball because of a premature whistle.   It's one of those things that is going to eventually happen because people make mistakes.  It happens.  Even if the rule was changed, the opposite circumstance would eventually happen and a team that should get the ball would quit after hearing the premature whistle. 

Jtex ... that is pretty impresive. I didn't realize that.

I saw the whistle in his mouth but I didn't know they played sound on instant reply. So if he blew the ball dead, why was it reviewed ? Don't forget this was with in the last 2 minutes of the game so the call came from upstairs.

[CF DolFan]

I saw the whistle in his mouth but I didn't know they played sound on instant reply. So if he blew the ball dead, why was it reviewed ? Don't forget this was with in the last 2 minutes of the game so the call came from upstairs.

I guess that's why. Honestly I do not know but if I had to guess I'd say they started reviewing it not knowing he blew the whistle.   

[MaineDolFan]

I am kind of with Simeon on this one.  Bad calls are part of the game, but those calls should be holding when there wasn't holding...not something that determines the outcome.  The play where Chambers was down and the replay equipment wasn't working is inexcusable.  You don't have back ups?  You can't call upstairs to the guys that do ALL the reviews when there is less than two minutes?  And then to review Cutler's arm and still get it wrong is pretty bad - especially when you realize you've blown it before you see it on film and apologize to the coach.

I get the human element to the thing, but there isn't much excuse when you blow calls on replay.

[StL FinFan]

San Diego still had the chance to stop Denver, but they didn't.

[Rick]

^^^  Right on St. Louis....that one play was a blown call made by one of the BEST refs in the NFL... San Diego cannot blame this lose on 1 blown call....how about the 39 points they gave up on defense?....Shannahan even gave San Diego a chance to win by going for 2....they couldn't stop Denver's offense ALL DAY....period!!!!

 

[MaineDolFan]

I disagree.  They forced a fumble and recovered the ball.  That's "stopping Denver" in my book, only to have it taken away from them.  What else are they supposed to do?  The defense did it's job and stopped the offense only to have it taken away from them.

[Rick]

  The "whistle" was blown for an incomplete pass on the play....it is a part of the game....the rules are the rules...San Diego should have sucked it up and played defense and stopped Denver again....they could have stopped the 2pt conversion but didn't...they had their chance to right the wrong!!

 

[Denver_Bronco]

I disagree.  They forced a fumble and recovered the ball.  That's "stopping Denver" in my book, only to have it taken away from them.  What else are they supposed to do?  The defense did it's job and stopped the offense only to have it taken away from them.

Kinda like when Champ Bailey picked off a pass that could not be reviewed cause replay was down.

Coveinent amnesia.

Poetic justice!