There should be an elegibility test for voting

[Frimp]

I agree. It basically made bad schools equal to good schools. The result...stupid kids.

Ok, we agree on that. It needs to change with a huge overhaul. Now, lets work on other things...

How about the fact that the economic crisis that we are in was caused by the government. Why should we trust them to fix it after they fucked it up so bad that they want to take OUR money to fix it when WE had nothing to do with it in the first place?

[bsmooth]

I agree. It basically made bad schools equal to good schools. The result...stupid kids.

Ok, we agree on that. It needs to change with a huge overhaul. Now, lets work on other things...

How about the fact that the economic crisis that we are in was caused by the government. Why should we trust them to fix it after they fucked it up so bad that they want to take OUR money to fix it when WE had nothing to do with it in the first place?

No I do not trust them, but I do not know what real choices we have currently to solve this mess.

[Frimp]

No I do not trust them, but I do not know what real choices we have currently to solve this mess.

This is the first step to solving it. Lets stop bickering, and solve the damn thing. The answer is the first 3 words of OUR constitution. "WE THE PEOPLE"

Our constitution wasn't written for the government. It was written for us. WE are the ones who can fix this. We have to demand that our reps and senators do NOTHING more for these government funded pet projects. No more bailouts. Honestly, it would be best if the whole thing hit rock bottom, so we could start over. Sure, it would be hard. But, we as a country have been through worse. President Bush said that we are not in a recession. There should be an * by that statement. We had growth the last quarter thanks to the stimulus checks. It is a false number.

Call your rep and senators. Tell them to stop all these bailouts (there are more coming) Bailouts only postpone the outcome of the problem, and the 700 billion dollar bailout isnt even doing a good job of that. Demand it. Tell everyone you know to do the same thing. You want change? You can vote the career violators out. The change is in you and me. We The People. We are the change, and we are the only ones who can fix the situation that our country is in right now.

Just remember...Government is what got us here. More government is not the answer.

[bsmooth]

None of my current state reps at any level were ones I voted for. I also did not vote for either of the two major candidates for president in 04.

[Dphins4me]

Have you ever taken a class on the Constitution?  Did you pass?

The constitution clearly states the only reason you can deny someone the right to vote is if you commit a felony.  If the right can only be denied under one specific situation than it is a right. 

  Have you?  Did you? 

One simple question.

Show me the words "Right to Vote" written that defines it as a right? If I'm so wrong that you feel that you can start to insult me then it should not be that hard to show me where I'm wrong.  You continue to give me "Elected by the people"  That is not saying its a right.  The "People" have changed through out the centuries.

Our rights given to us by the BOR have not changed.  You know the ones, freedom of
religion, speech Etc....

 Now you can take it as an implied right & they use the word right to vote when talking about denying someone the ability to vote.  Not denying that.

 I understand what you are saying & why I say its an implied right I'm saying no where can it be found written that we have a right to vote.  Those words do not exist other than in the minds of some uninformed US Citizens..

Again I say.  Prove me wrong by showing me the statement that "US Citizens have a right to vote."

[Dave Gray]

One simple question.

Show me the words "Right to Vote" written that defines it as a right?

It doesn't say it.  But it doesn't have to say it.  Many of our rights are given to us, without being spelled out as "You have the right to ..."  Legal speak is complicated and much of law and rights are inferred through amendments, precedence, etc.

[Dphins4me]

It doesn't say it.  But it doesn't have to say it.  Many of our rights are given to us, without being spelled out as "You have the right to ..."  Legal speak is complicated and much of law and rights are inferred through amendments, precedence, etc.

  Thanks, it does not say it.

They can change who can vote at any point.  If the majority in the House & Senate believe you have to be 25 Yrs old to vote, then the "Rights" as some have said we all have is taken away from 18 to 24 Yr olds & there is no law preventing them from doing so.  All they would have to do is amend the Constitution, as they have done in the past.

They have changed who has these so called rights throughout the history of the United States.  So therefor it is not a right.

However, the rights given to us as freedom of religion cannot be changed by a majority vote of the House & Senate.   Anything trying to do so would be unconstitutional.

[SCFinfan]

The right to vote is preservative of all rights, and shouldn't be taken from anyone except if there exists a compelling reason to do so. 

[Dphins4me]

The right to vote is preservative of all rights, and shouldn't be taken from anyone except if there exists a compelling reason to do so. 

Living off the Government is a compelling reason for me.  You do not work & allow the Gov to support you then from where I sit, you should not have a say in how or who runs it.

Plus, proving you are drug free, smoke free & alcohol free while living off the Gov., but that is another issue.

[Fau Teixeira]

  Thanks, it does not say it.

They can change who can vote at any point.  If the majority in the House & Senate believe you have to be 25 Yrs old to vote, then the "Rights" as some have said we all have is taken away from 18 to 24 Yr olds & there is no law preventing them from doing so.  All they would have to do is amend the Constitution, as they have done in the past.

They have changed who has these so called rights throughout the history of the United States.  So therefor it is not a right.

However, the rights given to us as freedom of religion cannot be changed by a majority vote of the House & Senate.   Anything trying to do so would be unconstitutional.

ok seriously .. read what you just wrote ..

for the right to vote "all the would have to do is amend the constitution"

on the other hand you write that trying to modify the right to freedom of religion would be unconstitutional ..

so which is it ?

all they would have to do to take away freedom of religion is to amend the constitution too

we could be a dictatorship with a king and prisons for anyone that says the word "bandwagon" while wearing a purple shirt  if they amend the constitution to make it so

by your definition we have no rights at all because all that needs to happen is a constitutional amendment

[run_to_win]

The teachers union was against it from day one...

Most likely because there were assessments involved.  The teacher's union, No Excellence Allowed, hates the thought of teachers being held to standards.

[run_to_win]

The right to vote is preservative of all rights, and shouldn't be taken from anyone except if there exists a compelling reason to do so.

Once taken, there needs to be a compelling reason to give it back as well.

The Governor of Washington, who realizes she may not get a 2nd term, is urging that we allow current felons to vote.  We're not talking about felons who have fulfilled their sentence and stayed out of trouble as they merely need to petition for re-enfranchisement.   She's wants 'em all to vote. 

[run_to_win]

Because it took our underachieving schools and actually made them worse. YEAH US.

Are you implying that members or our federal government are afflicted with DSS (Do Something Disease)?  Say it ain't so!!!

The only things standing in the way of our public school system returning to an elite level are culture and politics.  No amount of money will fix it, but throwing money at problems is all we know how to do. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

  Have you?  Did you? 

Yes got an A. 

One simple question.

Show me the words "Right to Vote" written that defines it as a right? If I'm so wrong that you feel that you can start to insult me then it should not be that hard to show me where I'm wrong.  You continue to give me "Elected by the people"  That is not saying its a right.  The "People" have changed through out the centuries.

Our rights given to us by the BOR have not changed.  You know the ones, freedom of
religion, speech Etc....

 Now you can take it as an implied right & they use the word right to vote when talking about denying someone the ability to vote.  Not denying that.

 I understand what you are saying & why I say its an implied right I'm saying no where can it be found written that we have a right to vote.  Those words do not exist other than in the minds of some uninformed US Citizens..

Again I say.  Prove me wrong by showing me the statement that "US Citizens have a right to vote."

Go read a book on constitutional law.

I am not going to waste time discussing this with someone who is apparently no more educated than the folks in the video. 

The very foundation of a democratic society is voting. 

[Phishfan]

Just remember...Government is what got us here. More government is not the answer.

The thing is I thought deregulaton got us here. There was no governmental oversight.