I'm off the Fence............

[run_to_win]

Um, gas prices are tied to supply and demand.  Even if one sets aside all potential environmental issues, I fail to see how increasing supply is somehow preferable to reducing demand, particularly when the reduction in demand is more significant (from an extra-fuel-saved-vs-extra-fuel-produced standpoint).

If the goal is to get us more energy independent, how is "drill, baby, drill!" a solution?  Gee, if we're still addicted to oil 30 years from now, this extra drilling will lower gas prices about a nickel?  Joy.

I have no problem with long-term solutions, but if we're expected to undertake a project with that kind of timetable for realized benefits, it had better be something that helps us use LESS oil, not something that provides more oil to use.

Again, what if it's not about gas prices but getting us more energy independent and keeping us out of the Middle East?

It would be helpful if more of the money spent on gas stayed in our economy instead of fueling economies in other countries.  That money, if it stayed in our economy, could be spent on researching alternatives.

Prices are down about 25%.  That should free up a bunch of money for environmentalists to invest in alternatives.  Dan, how much have you invested in alternatives? 

[Dave Gray]

Dan, how much have you invested in alternatives? 

I see you make this argument quite often, and I feel that it has absolutely no value.

You don't have to personally invest in something financially in order to support it.  I believe in supporting things through government.  I support the war, education, etc....not personally, but through paying my taxes.  And I'd like to see things like energy independence and alternative fuel sources be part of those things we collectively pay for.

[simeon]

First I want to say how much I respect defense, sir I admire you and respect you for your service. I am glad you have made up your mind as to who you vote for, it appears you put personal feelings aside and made a decision you believe to be best for you family. I have also felt the brunt of personal attacks to the point I see no more reason to voice my opinion on the board. Today will be last time I post on the board for awhile if not for good. I want to thank those who I have become friends with, it was my pleasure to help you out, if you know what I mean.. . I will be helping my friend frimp out tonight and that will be it from me for awhile. I wish you all the best and much success in your endeavors.
For one good last hollar....GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!

[MaineDolFan]

I have also felt the brunt of personal attacks to the point I see no more reason to voice my opinion on the board. Today will be last time I post on the board for awhile if not for good.

Waaah.  Need a binkie?  See ya.  "Personal attacks" or people that disagree with you and you aren't able to differentiate the two?

Memo to people that want to leave an on line message board:  Like Mikey used to say...

Just do it. 

[run_to_win]

^^^ Just in case not everyone is aware of what an unnecessary derisive or condescending remark is, Maine has kindly provided this example. 

Thank you Maine.   

[MaineDolFan]

Do YOU need your diaper changed as well?

Words on a computer screen.  In order for someone to personally attack another person there needs to be a level of personal knowledge.  I don't think anyone on this board has spent time with simeon.  He's words on a computer screen, as are you.  Simeon was never attacked personally.  If you allow someone's difference in opinion to make you feel personally attacked...that's on you.  No one else.

You, Run, spend the majority of your time dancing around people's opinions and stirring the pot.  You understand this better than anyone else here.

Again - people that want to leave an on line community - just go.  You don't need to give a two week notice.  You're not required to be here.

Want to stay, stay.  Want to leave, leave. 

[Dphins4me]

I support the war, education, etc....not personally, but through paying my taxes. 

We need to get the Gov out of the education business.  Gov. should not be educating the people.

[MaineDolFan]

Slippery slope.  Educational rights and laws are all tied in together.  If you take out government intervention with education it leaves you with...what?  How do you fund school systems?  How do you mandate that educate is not optional?

[run_to_win]

Do YOU need your diaper changed as well?

Words on a computer screen.  In order for someone to personally attack another person there needs to be a level of personal knowledge.  I don't think anyone on this board has spent time with simeon.  He's words on a computer screen, as are you.  Simeon was never attacked personally.  If you allow someone's difference in opinion to make you feel personally attacked...that's on you.  No one else. 

From this reply, I'm not convinced that you know the difference between opinions and unnecessary condescending/negative remarks.

You, Run, spend the majority of your time dancing around people's opinions and stirring the pot.  You understand this better than anyone else here.

Hello pot, a Mr. Kettle is on the phone. 

Wait, maybe you're demonstrating absurdity by being absurd?  Demonstrating immaturity by being immature?  Either way, bravo!

The main problem is that liberals and moderators don't recognize it when they're the guilty party - but they sure do get pissy when people respond "in kind". 

[MaineDolFan]

The main problem is that liberals...

Simeon leaving the board has what to do with liberals?  Not that anyone needs further evidence about who you are and what you are all about, but I would like to present exhibit 876,987,780 to further that cause.

I could care less what your personal opinion of me is or your personal little "Maine's maturity" shit-o-meter.  The fact of the matter is that things that come off some people's finger tips around here is utterly ridiculous.  To feel personally attacked when someone calls you out on those statements is equally utterly ridiculous.  Have an opinion and defend it.  Someone not agreeing with your opinion does not equal a "personal attack."

I'll ask again - do you need your diaper changed as well?  Maybe a nice glass of milk and cookie to soothe those nerves?

By the way - for a man that can't communicate his point without .gif images of slamming a head into a wall, rolling on the floor, whatever to call anyone else immature...you said something about the pot and kettle?  Here's a mirror, pal. 

One more thing.  If you have such issue with the liberals and moderators on this site, feel free to pack up and follow simeon out the door.  No one forces you to log on day after day.  I didn't realize you and simeon were so close.  It all makes a little more sense now, however.

Edited for typo

[Rick]

Waaah.  Need a binkie?  See ya.  "Personal attacks" or people that disagree with you and you aren't able to differentiate the two?

Memo to people that want to leave an on line message board:  Like Mikey used to say...

Just do it. 

  Not cool dude.

[Spider-Dan]

Again, what if it's not about gas prices but getting us more energy independent and keeping us out of the Middle East?

It would be helpful if more of the money spent on gas stayed in our economy instead of fueling economies in other countries.  That money, if it stayed in our economy, could be spent on researching alternatives.

By reducing demand, that money IS staying in our economy, and is able to be used on things other than gas.  In contrast, your solution has the money staying in the economy, but going to entities that have, at the very minimum, a conflict of interest in promoting alternative energy.

Dan, how much have you invested in alternatives?

More than you've spent on providing additional sources of domestic oil?

I mean, since we're getting personal...

[MaineDolFan]

  Not cool dude.

You like it.  Admit it.  Yankee fan.
 

Fact of the matter is that simeon seems like a nice enough man, he really does.

I just have issue with people that feel the need to announce leaving a website.  No one cares, just go.  If you're going to pick stances that he picked on an internet message board you'll need a little thicker skin to go along with those stances.

At the end of the day the man is an 360 playing, Harley riding,  Dolphin fan.  He's alright with me.

[Defense54]

 

One more thing.  If you have such issue with the liberals and moderators on this site, feel free to pack up and follow simeon out the door.  No one forces you to log on day after day.  I didn't realize you and simeon were so close.  It all makes a little more sense now, however.
 

That would make it easier for ya all wouldn't it? Just go so you don't have the answers put before you. Your remarks were rude, crass and NOT APPROPIATE. Several here are telling you that. God forbid you just man up and apoligize. 

Mods side with certain clicks here , people gang up  and unless you want thread after thread getting locked up ground rules need to be set and FOLLOWED by everyone.

[MaineDolFan]

Man up and apologize for WHAT?  Having a different opinion?  "Several people" have told me that?  Run has.  And now you.  Imagine that, two guys that pretty much sided with each of simeon's OPINIONS are telling me that MINE are "crass and rude."

And yet you sit there and say everyone on the board must follow the lead of a few of us?  Really?  Weird.

Of course YOU have rushed to simeon's aid against the big, bad Maine.  I told him to "just leave!"  YIKES!  What has the world come to?  "Hey, simeon, don't say it...do it."  OH MY GOD!  No!  The sky is falling!  Cars are crashing.  What a horrifically immature and crass thing to say!

Gee whiz.

The guy put his personal opinions out there and then felt attacked when people disagreed with those opinions.  Those attacks made him feel compelled to leave.  I call bullshit and say that is a first grade reaction, hence the binkie statement. 

I stand by my "crass" and "rude" comments.