Why do I get the feeling (opinions on Obama)

[Buddhagirl]

I love the way that democrats think they can punish big business into helping the "common man".  Rather than make ir favorable for business to stay they threaten to punish them if they leave.  If a company is already considering moving overseas to be more competitive then how is threatening them going to change anything? 
Everett, North of Seattle, just had a large company that built yachts go out of business.  700+ workers are out of a job.  We really showed those rich people! 

Just out of curiosity, what builder is this? (I work with yachts all day, every day.)

[bsmooth]

It does not matter what spin you put on it, both sides have been making massive mistakes for years and their cronies in Wall St have profited.
Right now with the bailout we have two things.
The private sector that ran us intot he ground economically with their greed is enjoying all the benefits of capitalism without any of the negatives, while we the people have gotten all the negatives of state socialism without any benefits.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

What he?  Socialist,

Why is the fact he is not George Bush that big of a sway to make people overlook all this?

Under GWB the gov't just took  over  the banks.

Please explain what Obama could do that is more socialistic than that? 

[Dphins4me]

Under GWB the gov't just took over the banks.

Please explain what Obama could do that is more socialistic than that? 

I thought they were buying bad debt, so they actually are taking over all banks & will be running them?

Just about everything about Obama has a socialistic lean on it..

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I thought they were buying bad debt, so they actually are taking over all banks & will be running them?

Just about everything about Obama has a socialistic lean on it..

They didn't buy bad debt.  They bought the banks.  They own stock in the banks and they place conditions on the bank operation including what they could pay their employees. 

[bsfins]

Yeah, about 2.5x that of Congress.

Rating of 1 versus  535
 

[pintofguinness14]

I thought they were buying bad debt, so they actually are taking over all banks & will be running them?

Just about everything about Obama has a socialistic lean on it..

Dphin4me: How do you define "socialist"?

[CF DolFan]

From Wikipedia

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved

Isn't this the essence of Obama as well Communist Karl Marx ?  Take from the "haves" and give it to the "have nots" regardless of if they deserve it... oh yes ... and have the government control it. 

[pintofguinness14]

From Wikipedia

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved

Isn't this the essence of Obama as well Communist Karl Marx ?  Take from the "haves" and give it to the "have nots" regardless of if they deserve it... oh yes ... and have the government control it. 

Social Security, Medicare, and even public school lunch programs redistribute wealth. Should we get rid of these socialist schemes as well or do you draw a line between good socialism and bad socialism?

[Dphins4me]

They didn't buy bad debt.  They bought the banks.  They own stock in the banks and they place conditions on the bank operation including what they could pay their employees. 

From what I've read the banks have a choice in participating or not in the bailout & the banks that sell the Gov. 300 million are the ones that are getting the restriction on what the CEO get if they leave.

[Dphins4me]

Dphin4me: How do you define "socialist"?

  In a nut shell.  Someone who believes things should be more even while ignoring why things are not more even.

[Dphins4me]

Social Security, Medicare, and even public school lunch programs redistribute wealth. Should we get rid of these socialist schemes as well or do you draw a line between good socialism and bad socialism?

  I'm for getting the Gov out of schools, Social Security is a bad investment & IMO if the Gov would stop bumping uglies with the Pharm industry then medical cost would be lower & more affordable.

If we are a free capitalist country then practice what we preach.  Come to America & make your own way.  If you need help, then there are charities out there that will help you.   

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

From what I've read the banks have a choice in participating or not in the bailout & the banks that sell the Gov. 300 million are the ones that are getting the restriction on what the CEO get if they leave.

Yes the banks had a choice.  Folks can also choose to turn down food stamps if they don't like the restriction they have.

But the bottom line is that the US government buying banks is a hell of a lot closer to communism than giving out food stamps is. 

And this bail out of the banks cost more too.

[pintofguinness14]

  I'm for getting the Gov out of schools, Social Security is a bad investment & IMO if the Gov would stop bumping uglies with the Pharm industry then medical cost would be lower & more affordable.

If we are a free capitalist country then practice what we preach.  Come to America & make your own way.  If you need help, then there are charities out there that will help you.   

Your position is pretty extreme, but that's OK. Do you have a problem with the federal government or would you object to state and local governments providing something like social security, medicare or other programs that involve wealth transfers? Do you oppose taxes in general?

[Dphins4me]

Your position is pretty extreme, but that's OK. Do you have a problem with the federal government or would you object to state and local governments providing something like social security, medicare or other programs that involve wealth transfers? Do you oppose taxes in general?

  I think the Fed Gov. is to large & has forgotten what its for.  IMO the Fed is to protect us from attack & maybe some interstate items, but in whole they need to get out of education, especially providing it.

    I think the people in Wash. are simply money & power hungry & will do the country/people harm if it will put money in their pocket.  They are so caught up in Rep / Dem that they do not care if its a good plan.  If the Rep come up with a good plan, the Dem have to oppose it simply because they did not come up with it.  Vice verse.

I believe things should be taken care of more on the local level.  In fact I'm on record that only allowing the general population to vote on the local level & let who they elect vote for the Senate & Pres.

I'm not big on Social Security.  I think I can do better with my money than the Gov. can.

I do not oppose taxes, they are necessary.    I oppose income tax & all the little hidden taxes that the public pays without knowing they are paying it.   I believe income tax hinders the economy & takes away money I could spend to provide to for my family.   I am on record that I support the Fair tax.