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« on: October 30, 2008, 01:11:00 pm »

Government already has taken too much control in our families. This is an example of how something seemingly harmless on the surface spills over into everyone's life. Once something becomes law it opens Pandora's box.   Legalizing same sex marriages affects every child and every family and this is what bothers Christians ... and not what goes on behind closed doors.


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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2008, 01:25:26 pm »

None of the reasons listed in this video are good reasons for making this illegal.  Should we not legalize black/white marriage because tolerance of interracial marriage may be taught in school?  At one time, people would be upset if their kids were taught that blacks and whites can marry...and that wasn't so long ago.

This is just another long line of civil rights issues.

I love this line: "Government already has taken too much control in our families."  Wouldn't the government tightening the reigns on marriage be MORE government control on families? 
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2008, 01:27:19 pm »


I love this line: "Government already has taken too much control in our families."  Wouldn't the government tightening the reigns on marriage be MORE government control on families? 

It depends on point of view. Liberals consider this "more government" while conservative only think "more government" involves taxes, social programs, etc. It's all spin.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2008, 01:30:34 pm »

Be very careful with how you vote on Amendment 2.  Whether you're for gay marriage or against it, Amendment 2 is NOT about that.  Amendment 2 encompasses MORE than just gay marriage, and would have a SEVERE impact on MY life if passed. 

If you are against gay marriage, fine, you have your opinion, but Amendment 2 is NOT the vehicle to voice your vote. 

edit - Now that I've watched the video, it seems very intolerant.  The tone speaks as though its a terrible thing to be gay.  How dare you teach people that there might be homosexual people around them!  This just perpetuates the anti-gay sentiments, and makes it OK to alienate anyone who might exhibit those tendencies.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2008, 01:31:30 pm »

It's all spin.

No it's not.  More government means that the government has more power, whether that's socially or fiscally.  You can spin to justify whether it's worth it or just in either case, but it's still more government.

I'm not against more government in all cases, but to complain about how the government already controls families too much, and then talk about how they should enforce controls on marriage is totally counter-intuitive.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2008, 01:31:53 pm »

None of the reasons listed in this video are good reasons for making this illegal.  Should we not legalize black/white marriage because tolerance of interracial marriage may be taught in school?  At one time, people would be upset if their kids were taught that blacks and whites can marry...and that wasn't so long ago.

This is just another long line of civil rights issues.

I love this line: "Government already has taken too much control in our families."  Wouldn't the government tightening the reigns on marriage be MORE government control on families? 

Black white marriages do not require a book to explain.  There should be no explanation at all.  

and to answer your question ... it depends on what family you speak of and that's the whole point of the law  "Definition of Marriage"
Some want it expanded while most want it "protected".
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2008, 01:33:39 pm »

I can't view this link right now because I'm at work. I'll view it later though and respond.

Taking what Brian said, I don't think that a law should be passed restricting the ability of unmarried couples to cohabitate. (That's what I got from your post, and an earlier post by either you or Phishfan. If I'm wrong in this interpretation, I apologize.)
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2008, 01:34:01 pm »

Be very careful with how you vote on Amendment 2.  Whether you're for gay marriage or against it, Amendment 2 is NOT about that.  Amendment 2 encompasses MORE than just gay marriage, and would have a SEVERE impact on MY life if passed. 

If you are against gay marriage, fine, you have your opinion, but Amendment 2 is NOT the vehicle to voice your vote. 

It would have no impact. That's a scare tactic.  Hospitals as well as employers can do anything they like with benefits.  WDW gives benefits to partners and this law would not change that though they could not be married.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2008, 01:35:32 pm »

It gives them a total legal out to discontinue them should they choose to as those partnerships would no longer be recognized by the state
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2008, 01:36:16 pm »

Its not a scare tactic at all.  Read the way its worded.  It allows people to deny benefits.  Who voluntarily gives away money?
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2008, 01:37:44 pm »

There isn't a single argument that the anti-gay marriage folks are making today that wasn't made to defend the anti-miscegenation statutes at the time of and before Loving v. Virginia. 
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2008, 01:38:52 pm »

I can't view this link right now because I'm at work. I'll view it later though and respond.

Taking what Brian said, I don't think that a law should be passed restricting the rights of unmarried couples to cohabitate. (That's what I got from your post, and an earlier post by either you or Phishfan. If I'm wrong in this interpretation, I apologize.)

Because of the law that was passed in Mass allowing same sex marriages,  schools are teaching kids about same sex relationships starting in Kindergarden ... complete with books. They are teaching them it is acceptable and normal.  They have no duty to notify parents or to limit conversations because the topic is a legal law.  Parents have no choice to opt out of this learning so all kids are taught his regardless of how the parent wants to raise their child.
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2008, 01:40:15 pm »

Black white marriages do not require a book to explain.  There should be no explanation at all.

This was not a sentiment shared by much of the country 50 years ago.

Gay marriage is the same thing as black/white marriage.  Socially, certain people aren't ready for it, but it's happening, so get on board, or grow old and die bitter and angry.

Anti-gay marriage = hate.   Let people who love each either other get married and be happy, and take care of your own.  If your daughters read about it in a book at school, they're not going to be licking pussies tomorrow.  They'll be fine.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2008, 01:41:32 pm »

Because of the law that was passed in Mass allowing same sex marriages,  schools are teaching kids about same sex relationships starting in Kindergarden ... complete with books. They are teaching them it is acceptable and normal.  They have no duty to notify parents or to limit conversations because the topic is a legal law.  Parents have no choice to opt out of this learning so all kids are taught his regardless of how the parent wants to raise their child.

 You can't opt out your kids being told that interracial marriage is acceptable even if you are a sheet wearing member of the KKK. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 01:42:44 pm »

If your daughters read about it in a book at school, they're not going to be licking pussies tomorrow.  They'll be fine.
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