Obama not a natural born citizen argument

[Defense54]

My opinion is...

...Obama supporters will not watch the video.

...not releasing documents is a ploy to get the electorate's attention away from other problems.  They're cleverly getting "us" to focus on a non-issue rather than other issues such as anonymous donations that can't be tracked.

...regardless how substantial and provable the charges are, disqualifying the first ever minority candidate, no matter how valid or legal, would do tremendous harm to race relations among our less moderate citizens.

...if Obama does not meet the qualifications and gets found out and loses the Presidency over it, then it's his own fault.  He never should have ran if he does not meet the criteria.  Those who voted for him in the primaries without verification would be as much to blame as those Republicans who voted for a moderate like John McCain.

Then were stuck we Blow Job Biden. At least we would know when he's lying..........he always smiles. I definitely do not like that fucker.

[fyo]

My opinion is...

hahaahha... Run, you're too funny. Read the conservative blog quoted later. Your crap-ass arguments are rebuffed... let's just start with the "produce the records"... he did. Twice. Why should the guy keep wasting time on this crap? The lawsuit is from a real conspiracy nut, with a long history of filing bogus lawsuits and promoting all kinds of weird shit.

I can't believe the conspiracy crap people are willing to believe. It truly amazes me.

On the other hand, it does nicely show who the morons around us are, so that's a bright spot.

[run_to_win]

hahaahha... Run, you're too funny. Read the conservative blog quoted later. Your crap-ass arguments are rebuffed... let's just start with the "produce the records"... he did. Twice. Why should the guy keep wasting time on this crap? The lawsuit is from a real conspiracy nut, with a long history of filing bogus lawsuits and promoting all kinds of weird shit.

You should read what I wrote ... not what you think I wrote.   

On the other hand, it does nicely show who the morons around us are, so that's a bright spot.

It sure does.   

[run_to_win]

Anyone believe this?

If true, and if it's already been released, then what's the point other than a planned distraction?  That would make a bit more sense if she was a Democrat.  Perhaps they're getting so many requests that it's become a burden?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174

HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

 

[pintofguinness14]

I love it when I get to quote myself. Even if Obama had not been born in Hawaii, he would still be a natural born citizen by virtue of his mother's status.

You're correct in saying that a in order to transmit citizenship, the parent must have spent 5 years in the U.S. after the age of 16. Clearly, Obama's mother met this standard. Of course, this is all irrelevant because Obama was born in the United States!

[run_to_win]

You're correct in saying that a in order to transmit citizenship, the parent must have spent 5 years in the U.S. after the age of 16. Clearly, Obama's mother met this standard.

Wasn't she 19 when he was born? Can this standard be met post-birth?

Not that it's an issue, but what if she had left the country before the 5 years?

 

Of course, this is all irrelevant because Obama was born in the United States.

Agreed.

[pintofguinness14]

Wasn't she 19 when he was born? Can this standard be met post-birth?

Not that it's an issue, but what if she had left the country before the 5 years?

 Agreed.

Yes, the standard can be met after the baby is born. Also, the standard is cumulative, not consecutive. Just an aside, this only applies to cases where the child was (A) not born in the U.S. and (B) one of the parents was not a U.S. citizen. Since Obama was born in the U.S, it doesn't apply.

[fyo]

You should read what I wrote ... not what you think I wrote.  

I did. You should read it again yourself, but just in case let me quote:

not releasing documents is a ploy to get the electorate's attention away from other problems.

He did release the documents.

regardless how substantial and provable the charges are, disqualifying the first ever minority candidate [...]

You are implying that the charges are substantial and provable. True, that is an assumption, but I took your phrasing past a good handful of people in the office. 6 of 6, unaided and uninfluenced by me, felt that you were implying that. 2 of those were strong McCain backers. You can claim you meant otherwise, but I have a hard time seeing how anyone would NOT interpret your statement as I did.

He never should have ran if he does not meet the criteria.

OK, I'm thinking the problem might be one of education - or willingness to take 30 seconds to phrase something a bit more carefully.

Still, the willingness to continue the speculation so far beyond the initial claims just underlines that, despite what you say elsewhere, you still believe that those claims might be valid... or you just want to stir the pot / feed the other loony conspiracy nuts.

[run_to_win]

Nice cherry picking there fyo.  No need to go out of your way to be disagreeable when someone is trying to agree with you.  If you have nothing else to do tonight then by all means, feel free to continue.

[run_to_win]

Yes, the standard can be met after the baby is born. Also, the standard is cumulative, not consecutive. Just an aside, this only applies to cases where the child was (A) not born in the U.S. and (B) one of the parents was not a U.S. citizen.

Thank you.  One good thing about this farce is that we're all becoming a bit more knowledgeable on citizen laws/criteria.

[pintofguinness14]

Thank you.  One good thing about this farce is that we're all becoming a bit more knowledgeable on citizen laws/criteria.

It's not often knowledge of the Immigration and Nationality Act is useful. 

[Defense54]

From what I understand..........it doesn't matter if you were born in orbit on the space shuttle. As long as your parents are natural citizens then so are you.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

From what I understand..........it doesn't matter if you were born in orbit on the space shuttle. As long as your parents are natural citizens then so are you.

That is my understanding as well.  Not only that true than John McCain is not qualified to be president either.  He was born overseas. 

[run_to_win]

Not only that true than...

In English please?

He was born overseas.

Which sea was that?  The Gulf of Mexico?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Which sea was that?  The Gulf of Mexico?

Yup. He was born in Panama.