Are we Getting Change with Obama?

[MaineDolFan]

   Second & I do want to emphasize thanks for making it about me & the post afterward followed your lead.  Being a Mod I would think you would understand the difference between addressing the post & not the poster. 

**Hopping on soap box**

I'm REALLY tired of people using this is an excuse.  "Hey, you're a mod.  Don't call me out when I am completely full of shit!  Be impartial!  Don't have an opinion."

Wrong board, pal.  Sorry.

I have an opinion.  And you're full of shit.  You were 1,000% against Obama pre-election and now we're supposed to be shocked and shaken that you haven't changed that view?

Noooooo.  Really??  Ooops, I am a MOD.  I better not say anything TRUE.  My bad.

[bsmooth]

We'll get change...as in the kind that goes in our pockets, and not much more. For example, If Obama passes those ridiculous emission standards for cars, its going to kill the auto industry because it simply isn't cost effective yet. Also, raising taxes to offset carbon (if algore gets his way) will hurt lots of businesses. widespread layoffs and businesses closing will be the result.

I was recently talking with a changemonger and of course all he could say was "Obama is going to change it!" Couldn't tell me WHAT Obama was going to change though. I told him the old "be careful what you wish for...you just might get it." He then told me that I must be against him because he's black.   That's one way to end a conversation with me. You pull that card out, and it tells me that you have absolutely no idea why you even voted for Obama, and are completely clueless about life in general. I told that guy that I was through with him, and wasn't going to talk to him anymore. Guess you shouldn't discuss politics at work when you are on a smoke break.  

Yeah because the auot industry is so financially healthy and businesses are not cutting back and laying off people now, it will all happen once he gets sworn in.

[Dphins4me]

**Hopping on soap box**

I'm REALLY tired of people using this is an excuse.  "Hey, you're a mod.  Don't call me out when I am completely full of shit!  Be impartial!  Don't have an opinion."

Wrong board, pal.  Sorry.

I have an opinion.  And you're full of shit.  You were 1,000% against Obama pre-election and now we're supposed to be shocked and shaken that you haven't changed that view?

Noooooo.  Really??  Ooops, I am a MOD.  I better not say anything TRUE.  My bad.

  Just because you are not mature enough to support something after being against it does not mean I follow suit.   It was the path chosen for us.  I will support it & hope for the best.  I'm simply not happy with the retreads/crooks we are seeing assigned to high positions.

 For me being against something does not mean I do not get behind it, if it chosen.  I might not have thought it was the best path, but again that does not mean I do not support it now.

I was asking a simple question of how people were viewing the selection of the same old policies makers that have been in power before & lead us down the wrong path & were my expectations wrong, but its obvious the only reason you are here is so you can attack me for some reason known only to yourself.

Now, to address your obvious total juvenile post.

Either address the post in the thread or skip over it if the only thing you have to add is personal insults & attacks.   In two post in this thread you have YET to address anything about the topic & are only here to derail the thread into a personal attack upon me.  Why I'm not sure.

What a total hypocrite you are & that joke of a post at the top of the "Other Sports Talk" needs to be deleted.

If you have anything further to address me with, please address it in a PM.  Try acting ( if possible )like a mature man & not a 7 Yr old who is upset over not getting a piece of candy.

[Dphins4me]

I disagree,I think if you go in there with People that are Big on ideas (and don't know Washington),and you piss off all the old guard P.O.S. you can't get anything accomplished......You bring in people that know how to work the system,Get things done....They're following Obama's agenda,He's the Lead dog..Unlike Bush....

That is one of the things I was curious about.   Is Obama a big enough lead dog & will they follow suit or their own agenda to undermine him.  I'm not concerned about Emanuel other than his ethics with the Freddie Mac stuff.

[Dphins4me]

Hey Dphins,

Thanks for a good question.

It's too early to tell, obviously.  However, I think that change comes from a paradigm shift and leadership, not necessarily the people you have in there to carry things out.  I also don't think that change is a lightswitch.  Change isn't a decision you make.  I think it's a new direction that will take decades (and more than one president) to realize, but Obama has to opportunity to point us to a new place.  It's really the job of the US citizens and future leadership to make sure we stay on that path.

Also, I think that we're already seeing change in Obama's cabinet, in that he's not choosing "cronies".  He's not picking a bunch of "yes men" or those that share his ideas on everything.  He is welcoming debate into his cabinet, as he feels that it's healthy towards good decision-making.

Personally, I do wish we'd see a little more of what the right would call "radical liberalism" in the cabinet, and what we're seeing now is more moderate choices.

But again, it's way too early to tell, and with the state of our nation how it is, before he delivers change of any kind, I think his priority is restoring order first.

First off Dave, please do something about your Mod coming into this thread for no reason other than to attack me for asking a question of how others were viewing the nominations.  Not once has he even addressed the topic.  Its all been about me.

Now, to address your post.  What changes are you expecting & does the economy change what you thought prior to the collapse.  I did expect moderate choices, because if Obama goes too left I think it will kill his re-election chances, since he had to come right to get elected.

That is a view on his selections I've not thought about.  They are not cronies.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

First off Dave, please do something about your Mod coming into this thread for no reason other than to attack me

quit playing the mod card.  seriously it is getting old. 

maine's comment was not out of line and was actually a politer way of saying the same thing I said about it being people who feared Ayers as a being part of the admin as being the same ones to bitch about not enough change. 

[bsfins]

I agree it's getting old people bitching about conspiracy,and Mods not allowed to have an opinion here at TDMMC....

[MaineDolFan]

Dphins4me - "personally" attacking you would be to call you an ignorant asshole that can't see beyond the tip of your own nose - or something of the like.  I didn't do that.  Calling someone out on something is not a personal attack nor is it immature. 

The fact of the matter is that I think you bring a ton of valid points and well thought out conversations to the board.  I also think that when people call you on something you don't take that well.  I didn't insult you, attack you nor was I immature.

I pointed out something factual which, in MY OPINION (something I actually get to express whether you like it or not) - having YOU, of all people, complain about Obama is a joke.  You created that bed all by yourself with your blatant one sided view of things and constant shit stirring prior to the election.

It's impossible for you to be impartial and objective on this subject. Trying to silence a voice on here that is calling you out on your bullshit because I am a mod is ridiculous.  Say it with me one time - MODERATORS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINIONS AS WELL.  I *WAS* sticking to the point of the thread by saying, again, you making commentary on this is like getting an opinion on a steak from a vegan.  What in the world would a vegan think of a steak? 

So my direct answer to your question is yes, I believe he is making positive changes.  And I also believe that he could appoint the most random person under the sun to a post and it wouldn't matter to people that have opposed him all along.  If Obama goes right, it should have been left.  Left should have been right. 

[Dphins4me]

I agree it's getting old people bitching about conspiracy,and Mods not allowed to have an opinion here at TDMMC....

  No one said he could not have an opinion on the subject. I invited opinions.   I do want to point that out.  Being a mod yourself, you had an opinion on my question & voiced it & no one said anything about you voicing it. 

I'm not upset that you voiced yours & replied back to each other a time or time discussing it.  I did not attack your views to say I'm right & you are wrong.  I simply expected something different & was not believing I was seeing it.

My point is his first two replies had nothing to do with the subject.  My view points prior to the election have nothing to do with this.  I was not here on election night claiming the world was coming to an end.  I do not believe I have ever insulted Obama.  I've questioned a few things, but never had I said he was a bad person or the anti-Christ as the Email says..

I disagree with his politics, but now that he is elected I'm not a little child that is going to run out & pout in a corner because I did not get my way & try to tie him to everything that goes wrong even something as close as the Gov. of Ill.. 

The difference is his opinion is about my view points prior to the election & how he did not believe I was capable of being objective towards Obama.  The only thing I truly have against Obama is the robbed from the rich to give to the poor politics.   I do not like our tax system being used to buy votes.   Its wrong, either way.

That is what bothers me, was that he wanted to make this about me & not my question about how was everyone else feeling about the nominations.  I've also said some of the view points were things I've not thought of.  So this was not about arguing view points, but simply were they happy & was I wrong in not liking the old guard being nominated.

[Dphins4me]

quit playing the mod card.  seriously it is getting old. 

  No one in their 1st reply & especially a Mod should start by addressing the poster & 100% forgetting about the topic.   He could have simply replied to my question & then ask me if I felt like I was being fair to Obama.  However, that is not how it was done.

maine's comment was not out of line and was actually a politer way of saying the same thing I said about it being people who feared Ayers as a being part of the admin as being the same ones to bitch about not enough change. 

  Show me one comment from him about the subject in his reply..  Just one.  That is all I'll ask you.   I preferred your comment, because at least it was about the subject & not about me.

[Frimp]

Yeah because the auot industry is so financially healthy and businesses are not cutting back and laying off people now, it will all happen once he gets sworn in.

As usual, you totally missed my point. Its happening now, yes. But it isn't because people aren't buying cars. You don't see Toyota, and Nissan begging for bailouts. They are doing fine. WHat's the difference? Well, Toyota and Nissan don't have unions for one. That wasn't the point of my post. The point is that there are more than likely going to be ridiculous emissions standards that will make it even harder for the auto industries to meet. That will hurt the big three even more, and it will hurt Nissan and Toyota too. Just wait until the big three get their bailout, and the government takes control of the industry. Think its screwed up now? Just wait until Govco gets its hands on it. And, there will be nothing they can do about either thanks to their new 'partner.'

And, I wasn't just grabbing the auto industry as the sole concern. It was simply an example...hence my words "For example."


I myself was wondering if the people who voted for Obama will be satisfied with the 'change' or lack there of that there may or may not be.

[Dphins4me]

Dphins4me - "personally" attacking you would be to call you an ignorant asshole that can't see beyond the tip of your own nose - or something of the like.  I didn't do that.  Calling someone out on something is not a personal attack nor is it immature. 

The fact of the matter is that I think you bring a ton of valid points and well thought out conversations to the board.  I also think that when people call you on something you don't take that well.  I didn't insult you, attack you nor was I immature.

I pointed out something factual which, in MY OPINION (something I actually get to express whether you like it or not) - having YOU, of all people, complain about Obama is a joke.  You created that bed all by yourself with your blatant one sided view of things and constant shit stirring prior to the election.

It's impossible for you to be impartial and objective on this subject. Trying to silence a voice on here that is calling you out on your bullshit because I am a mod is ridiculous.  Say it with me one time - MODERATORS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINIONS AS WELL.  I *WAS* sticking to the point of the thread by saying, again, you making commentary on this is like getting an opinion on a steak from a vegan.  What in the world would a vegan think of a steak? 

  The point you missed is.  Your fact pointing is 100% against the TOS of the site.  Your fact pointing was about me & my opinion prior to the election.   Never providing me the benefit of doubt that I'm a grown man who can accept defeat.  Which I knew I was defeat before the election since my guy had no chance.

Did I stir the pot?  Sure.  Makes for great conversation.  I like conversation.  I like hearing others view points.  I do not believe I know everything & different people think of  things from a view point I might not, so its great to understand others & why they view things the way the do.. 

I do not believe I belittle anyone for their view points.  If I did, then someone please show me where.

However, something missed on you was there was no bitching from me about Obama winning.  No the country is doomed.  I sat back & accepted what went down. I do not pout because I do not get my way.

So my direct answer to your question is yes, I believe he is making positive changes.  And I also believe that he could appoint the most random person under the sun to a post and it wouldn't matter to people that have opposed him all along.  If Obama goes right, it should have been left.  Left should have been right. 

  Thank you.  My question is why do you think the nominating of the old guard will lead to the changes he says he wants to deliever?

  While in some cases you are correct, but not here.  I'm not opposing Obama.  I'm just taking steps towards him since he is now the future Pres.  As I've said prior. I hope he goes down as a great Pres.  It is really important that he is.   If he goes down as a bad Pres.  then this country is in big trouble.

[bsfins]

Did I say Dphin4me complaining about it,or quote your post...Nope......I was making a general point about people,act like we can't have an opinion...and Bring up Your're a mod....We were members first,then became mods....

[Dphins4me]

Did I say Dphin4me complaining about it,or quote your post...Nope......I was making a general point about people,act like we can't have an opinion...and Bring up Your're a mod....We were members first,then became mods....

I was just pointing out that when a mod expresses his opinion based on the subject then there should not be a problem, if there is then that in itself is a problem.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Congratulations to Dphins4me!!!!

You may very well be the first person to ever hijack their own thread.