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« on: December 29, 2008, 03:47:26 pm »
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2606_Meet_your_2008_NFL_MVP.html

I prefer the analysis at CHFF and footballoutsider to anything put out by ESPN, SI, NFLN etc. 

I doubt he wins, but as I have said elsewhere I think he deserves it. 
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 04:15:01 pm »
No one in the NFL DESERVES the 2008 MVP award more than Chad Pennington.... he should win it imo.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 04:40:47 pm »
I am happy that he is even part of the discussion.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 05:53:43 pm »
Quote from: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 29, 2008, 03:47:26 pm
I prefer the analysis at CHFF and footballoutsider to anything put out by ESPN, SI, NFLN etc. 

I think they're apples and oranges. ESPN-SI-NFLN are entertainment venues whose primary focus is ratings and circulation, and pander accordingly to a lower level of stat-crunching... Why would you look to those sources for any kind of deep analysis.

FootballOutsider.com is solid, DrFootball.com is excellent (Matt Dodds is one extremely smart dude), so is FootballScientist.com.

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 06:03:06 pm »
It all comes down to what you mean by "MVP". If it's the player without whom his team would be screwed the most, Pennington is certainly way up there.

If you're talking pure performance, he's not quite there.

I think Manning (the Elder) is up there as well and probably edges out Pennington because he has MVP value on both fronts (pure performance, as well as value to his team).

I also think the weak schedule (or perception of same) hurts Pennington. There's a strong argument to be made that we'd be 9-7 or worse if we'd been matched up with any other set of divisions.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2008, 06:11:28 pm »
Quote from: fyo on December 29, 2008, 06:03:06 pm
It all comes down to what you mean by "MVP". If it's the player without whom his team would be screwed the most, Pennington is certainly way up there.

If you're talking pure performance, he's not quite there.

I think Manning (the Elder) is up there as well and probably edges out Pennington because he has MVP value on both fronts (pure performance, as well as value to his team).

I also think the weak schedule (or perception of same) hurts Pennington. There's a strong argument to be made that we'd be 9-7 or worse if we'd been matched up with any other set of divisions.

You can only do what you can with what you got. 

I haven't seen his stats but Peyton seemed to have an off year.  The Colts whipped out a string of wins but some of those games were a lot closer than usual.  The D gave them the Houston game.  Peyton will win because of those kickass commercials and brand recognition.  I say Ed Reed should be the league MVP.
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2008, 08:52:40 am »
Quote from: NADS on December 30, 2008, 06:11:28 pm
I haven't seen his stats but Peyton seemed to have an off year.

I saw a lot of Colts games this year, especially during the first half of the season, and Peyton was pretty much carrying the team on his back -- a worn phrase, to be sure, but not inappropriate in this case. Without receivers, without linemen and everyone around him playing like shit, he "stepped up", "kept the pressure on" and "found a way to win".

(and, no, I'm not being sarcastic)
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2009, 01:38:20 am »
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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2009, 01:38:46 pm »
If you define MVP as the best statistical player, it's Rivers or Manning. If you define MVP as "Your team can't play without him", then it's Chad. 1-115 to 11-5. The Colts would not be playoff bound without Manning, but they would still be 8-8 or 7-9. We would be 5-11.
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2009, 06:06:53 pm »
The latest issue of SI has an article by Jim Trotter saying why he thinks Penny should be MVP...
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 01:57:30 am »
They gonna give that to freakin Manning ... watch  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 04:12:36 pm »
Quote from: DZA on January 02, 2009, 01:57:30 am
They gonna give that to freakin Manning ... watch  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

And so they did.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dd272c
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2009, 04:34:15 pm »
Quote from: fyo on January 02, 2009, 04:12:36 pm
And so they did.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80dd272c

'Cause Favre going to the pro-bowl wasn't a big enough joke, the AP had to top it. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009, 05:22:23 pm »
Quote from: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 02, 2009, 04:34:15 pm
'Cause Favre going to the pro-bowl wasn't a big enough joke, the AP had to top it. 

Favre and Manning put asses in the seats, Pennington doesn't.  No biggie.  When Pennington is hoisting the Lombardi Trophy, he can tell AP and the Pro Bowl selection committie to kiss his rosy red ass.
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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 05:31:53 pm »
It's not like Manning was some travesty of a pick for MVP.

Noodles was one of several viable candidates.
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