High powered offense, stone cold defense, what would you rather have?

[Brian Fein]

Which was my point.

I was providing a counter-example. There's NO question the force-out rule favored the offense (and so abolishing it favored defenses). I thought it was obvious enough not to require clarification... but I guess anything can be misinterpreted.

Sorry, I thought from the tone of your typing that you were agreeing with Dave that "The rule set is becoming more and more tilted to high powered offenses," and citing the force-out rule as an example...

[fyo]

Sorry, I thought from the tone of your typing that you were agreeing with Dave that "The rule set is becoming more and more tilted to high powered offenses," and citing the force-out rule as an example...

Yeah, sorry, having a problem conveying the tone

[Defense54]

Why do you think Dan Marino never won a championship but Trent Dilfer did? Because a great defense will always beat a great Offense.

End of story. If you want to be great you NEED to be able to stop the run and shut down the passing game. 

[fyo]

Why do you think Dan Marino never won a championship but Trent Dilfer did? Because a great defense will always beat a great Offense.

On the other hand, Manning didn't have a great defense when he won his ring.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

On the other hand, Manning didn't have a great defense when he won his ring.

That's not entirely accurate.  The Colts defense was pretty respectable in 2006. 

It was horrible before then, and that cost him a couple more rings.

[Phishfan]

^^^ 23rd in the league in scoring defense, 21st in yards per game, Very good against the pass at 2nd, but pathetic against the run at last place. They still really were not even respectable.

[bsfins]

I'd have to argue there,that the high powered offense of the Colts,beat the high powered Bears Defense that game...

How about the Rams/Titans SB? 49ers/Chargers SB? I'd say the winners there were more known for good offense rather than good defense....

I think,the level of "good" is what matters....and a little luck....

[Defense54]

On the other hand, Manning didn't have a great defense when he won his ring.

The Bears had a good defense that year but they lost a Key Pass Rusher in Tommy Harris which led to a decline in points scored overall by Teams.  Had a great Defense like the Ravens previously had played Peyton things might have turned out differently.  Its not a Lock that a great defense will show up every game.......but the odds show that a Great D will beat out a Great O most of the time.

[MaineDolFan]

Why do you think Dan Marino never won a championship but Trent Dilfer did?

Because the product had become very watered down by that point in time?

I dislike the "Marino never had a good defense" stance because it's not true.  1984 Miami's defense was one of the best in the league.

1984 they were +8, 2nd in point differential and 7th in points allowed.  They were first in points scored.  Miami simply ran into a buzzsaw in San Fran...in an error when the product wasn't as watered down.

Does anyone in their right mind think that 1984 San Fran team wouldn't rip the Ravens title winning team to shreads?  It wouldn't be pretty.

[Spider-Dan]

Does anyone in their right mind think that 1984 San Fran team wouldn't rip the Ravens title winning team to shreads?  It wouldn't be pretty.

Maybe, but I think the '85 Bears defense would have been able to handle the '84 49ers offense.

Of course, the '85 Bears were also 2nd in the league in team offense, so that's not exactly apples-to-apples.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

Does anyone in their right mind think that 1984 San Fran team wouldn't rip the Ravens title winning team to shreads?  It wouldn't be pretty.

That's debatable.  The 2000 Ravens defense was like a brick wall.

[Defense54]

Because the product had become very watered down by that point in time?

I dislike the "Marino never had a good defense" stance because it's not true.  1984 Miami's defense was one of the best in the league.

1984 they were +8, 2nd in point differential and 7th in points allowed.  They were first in points scored.  Miami simply ran into a buzzsaw in San Fran...in an error when the product wasn't as watered down.

Does anyone in their right mind think that 1984 San Fran team wouldn't rip the Ravens title winning team to shreads?  It wouldn't be pretty.

Sorry but Dan put up Many Many 40 + point Games , only to lose because the defense let go 40 more + points. Happened several times.

[Defense54]

That's debatable.  The 2000 Ravens defense was like a brick wall.

Best ever.  Those guys were the Shit.  I still have a special place in my heart for Ray Lewis. He's stayed out of trouble and for my money is the Best NFL player , pound for pound in the last decade.

[Tepop84]

Sorry but Dan put up Many Many 40 + point Games , only to lose because the defense let go 40 more + points. Happened several times.

this board doesn't like facts does it?  he scored 40+ points 9 times and lost once.  i know  it is a lot easier to just make stuff up, but the downside is you look retarded when somebody takes the time to get the facts.

[Defense54]

this board doesn't like facts does it?  he scored 40+ points 9 times and lost once.  i know  it is a lot easier to just make stuff up, but the downside is you look retarded when somebody takes the time to get the facts.

Sorry that your life is so sad and uneventful that you spent the whole day researching that just to try to make a point. I've got a bit more going on in my life so if it was actually a 36-38 point game........then I stand corrected. 

Alls I know is that Dan Marino put points on the board. He is one of the most prolific passers in History and didn't hold every record for not scoring. FACT
Dan Never won a championship. FACT
 
So One can reasonable assume that no matter how many points he put up , His defense usually let him down.  DUH 

But Trent Dilfers did not.  Hence the little ring that he wears  while Dan has every other record in the book but no jewelry.

You actually look more retarded because..........you are a fucking moron. 

Go back and research that............