Another government Stimulas package

[Spider-Dan]

Then essentially, your only real objection is that they should stop calling it a stimulus plan?

[Dphins4me]

Then essentially, your only real objection is that they should stop calling it a stimulus plan?

  In essence "Yes"  but not 100%.

They are playing on fear of Americans ( Which is what Gov does ) to pass policies as stimulus.  Most Americans think the Gov is in process of trying to fix the problem they helped create. 

My biggest complaint is its money we do not have to spend..  Again at some point the bill comes due. 

[Spider-Dan]

Obama is implementing a plan that he campaigned on.  Do you suggest that he NOT follow through on a major campaign promise?

Many people (myself included) voted for him specifically to see a plan like this put into effect.

[run_to_win]

Do you suggest that he NOT follow through on a major campaign promise?

Yes - for the long term health of the country.  We'll be better off in the long run without $850,000,000,000 more debt.

Not that we're anywhere close to a "Great Depression"....yet, but some economists believe that FDR's policies extended the that depression by 7 years.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

[Spider-Dan]

Yes - for the long term health of the country.  We'll be better off in the long run without $850,000,000,000 more debt.

The people who believe this had the opportunity to voice their concerns in the candidate that they voted for.  Obama was quite clear in his intentions, months before the election took place.

I expect the candidate that I elected, based on promises made, to fulfill his promises in good faith.  Had Obama said, "My plan is to institute more tax cuts across the board, and that's it," I wouldn't have voted for him.

[Dphins4me]

Obama is implementing a plan that he campaigned on.  Do you suggest that he NOT follow through on a major campaign promise?

Many people (myself included) voted for him specifically to see a plan like this put into effect.

You wanted to see a plan where they funded $400 million to prevent sexually transmitted diseases?  150 million for honey bee research?   This plan will only put the country in further debt without creating anything worth while in return.

200 economist have signed a petition against this & 3 of them are nobel prize winning economist.  People that know a little something about the economy.

Do you realize how much 1 trillion dollars is?  A trillion seconds is 31,700+ Yrs..This is not monopoly money where we get to close up the board game & start over tomorrow..  They are playing with the rest of our lives & future generation 2 & 3 fold.  Its already estimated that by the Yr. ~2040 that every penny the Gov brings in will go to pay just the interest on the national debt & that is not even including this.

If the US is going to go into further debt, then at least make it count. 

[Dphins4me]

The people who believe this had the opportunity to voice their concerns in the candidate that they voted for.  Obama was quite clear in his intentions, months before the election took place.

  In fairness.  Obama could have said he planned on bringing America to its knees & making Spanish the nation language & people would have still voted him in office.

I expect the candidate that I elected, based on promises made, to fulfill his promises in good faith.  Had Obama said, "My plan is to institute more tax cuts across the board, and that's it," I wouldn't have voted for him.

  We know.   Vote for me & I'll tax those other guys & give you their money is the platform he ran on.   

[Spider-Dan]

Yes, and he got elected.  Therefore...

[Dphins4me]

Yes, and he got elected.  Therefore...

  Therefore, its a great example of how the tax system we have discussed is broken & how politicians use it to their advantage & I'm not just implying getting elect either..

 Plus, the America people are lazy & wanting other people to do their work for them.

[CF DolFan]

I haven't read through this whole thread but wanted to let everyone know, after paying back April's "stimulus" package or should I say loan ... I now owe the government $1100.  Had I not gotten the $1800 from Uncle George, I would be getting back $700. Small amount but at least I wouldn't owe.

Nothing is free and we all will be paying for this crap sooner or later.

[bsmooth]

All this negativity about the Dem's plan, yet I still have not seen a viable plan yet from the GOP other than the same shit they have been pushing the last 8 years.

[MaineDolFan]

 Plus, the America people are lazy & wanting other people to do their work for them.

I can't disagree with this.  It's reaching scary levels, too.

[Dphins4me]

All this negativity about the Dem's plan, yet I still have not seen a viable plan yet from the GOP other than the same shit they have been pushing the last 8 years.

   Its not the plan that failed, its the spending that did it & laws that were passed to allow unqualified borrowers the ability to get loans they could not pay back.

We need to stop asking Gov for money & make them stop spending.  Its been over 40 years since the Gov spent less than it did the prior year.  The bill is coming due people.

Also, something I heard today.  China is no longer buying our 30 Yr treasury notes.  They will only buy 2 & 5 Yr notes.  I heard that the Fed. Reserve is now buying our debt.

So basically we are already buying our own debt? Yet, we want to spend even more money on pork items. 

[Spider-Dan]

Funny how when the GOP is in power and they have the ability to curb spending, it's all about tax cuts+foreign wars.  Yet when they are forced to give up the reigns, suddenly fiscal responsibility is the order of the day?  Obstructionism at its finest.

[Dphins4me]

Funny how when the GOP is in power and they have the ability to curb spending, it's all about tax cuts+foreign wars.  Yet when they are forced to give up the reigns, suddenly fiscal responsibility is the order of the day?  Obstructionism at its finest.

  Not getting an argument from me.  I've said pretty much from Day 1 the GOP created Obama.

The GOP expanded Gov to the worst & have only themselves to blame for the situation they are in.  However, like everything else. The Dem will screw the pooch & all the people yelling for a Dem this year will be yelling for a Rep while continue the cycle that put us in the situation we are in.