Why I hate religion!

[Dave Gray]

I don't believe in God.  What's to repent for?  And who to repent to?

I'm glad I don't believe in God.  I have no intention of ever believing in God.

Who knows?  Maybe I'll go through something traumatic and turn to God.  But if I do that, I think it would be in reaction to that trauma, and still ultimately false.

Also, to those of you that do believe in hell -- will I go to hell based on your definition?

[Sunstroke]

Nowhere in this thread did I point to any "fluke thing" and call it a miracle. Nowhere did I hug my faith tightly to my chest without giving my reason for belief in God

My assessment was based on a lot more than this one thread, but you are getting much better at flipping things without actually addressing them. I'd applaud ya, but one hand is busy seeking spiritual enlightenment from my johnson at the moment.

Ok: simply put,

1. Objective morality cannot exist without God, because no human is capable of promulgating an ad hoc objective morality. (Objective morality is not the same as universal morality, where everyone on earth agrees on something being wrong or right. Instead, objective morality means those morals which if they were transgressed, would result in a real, actual wrong or sin, rather than just being merely wrong in the opinion of a group of men.)

2. But objective morality exists. For example, it is wrong to rape a child, even if the society or culture you're in disagrees.

3. Therefore, God exists.

I look forward to your response, Phish. I bet ya can't beat me.

All I hear here is the same broken scratchy vinyl... "We believe that good comes from god, therefore since good exists, god exists." You're selling the Holy Sizzle, but you're not putting any steak on the plate. Mixing a little legalese in there is a nice touch though.

[bsmooth]

Ok: simply put,

1. Objective morality cannot exist without God, because no human is capable of promulgating an ad hoc objective morality. (Objective morality is not the same as universal morality, where everyone on earth agrees on something being wrong or right. Instead, objective morality means those morals which if they were transgressed, would result in a real, actual wrong or sin, rather than just being merely wrong in the opinion of a group of men.)

2. But objective morality exists. For example, it is wrong to rape a child, even if the society or culture you're in disagrees.

3. Therefore, God exists.

I look forward to your response, Phish. I bet ya can't beat me.

What wrongs? The acts which society has decided are wrong? The acts which a book that has been put together of hand picked scriptures by a select group of MEN with an agenda?
Are the societies that have converted from polytheism to monotheism more chaste and moral since their conversions? Who makes that distinction? Are the modern Greeks more moral and ethical since they kicked ol Zeus to the curb with his pantheon and his son concieved of a human mother?
Here is the kicker, I have yet to have an aethiest or agnostic get all fired up about converting me and how I was headed for damnation for my beliefs, yet I have had multiple good christians to include CF( I loved when he compared me to satan's minions, to the point spider ripped him an new ass over it) because my beliefs did not match theirs.

[Dphins4me]

This is why faith sucks.

If you really want to help them -- help them.  Sitting there with your hands clasped talking to your imaginary friend about them isn't going to amount to a hill of beans.

  Where you are wrong Daniel son.   

[Dphins4me]

^^

I'm saving it for a deathbed confession.

If you are lucky enough to get one.
  Which I hope so.

[Dave Gray]

^^

If I die tomorrow, does that mean I'm going to hell?

I'm just curious.  I ask this a lot, but I can't seem to get an answer out anyone.

[Dphins4me]

^^
If I die tomorrow, does that mean I'm going to hell?

I'm just curious.  I ask this a lot, but I can't seem to get an answer out anyone.

No way anyone would truly know, but from what I do, there is a very good chance of it.  If you do die & go, then its to late & eternity is a long time to be wrong.

[Dave Gray]

No way anyone would truly know, but from what I do, there is a very good chance of it.  If you do die & go, then its to late & eternity is a long time to be wrong.

You religious folks sure seem to be able to speak for God on a lot of subjects...why not this one?

Does not believing in God get me a ticket to hell or not?  It's a yes or no question.


...or is it like a point system?

Not believing in God     -10
Genocide                      -20
Skipping church            -1

Then, you have to get to -25 to get a ticket in.

I'm just asking.

[Dphins4me]

You religious folks sure seem to be able to speak for God on a lot of subjects...why not this one?

Does not believing in God get me a ticket to hell or not?  It's a yes or no question.


...or is it like a point system?

Not believing in God     -10
Genocide                      -20
Skipping church            -1

Then, you have to get to -25 to get a ticket in.

I'm just asking.

The mockery is not lost & I lost a ton of respect for you with this last post. I'm not overly religious.  I still have my doubt in turning control over to God.

To answer your question. Its suppose to, but I'm not the one making the ultimate decision on this & that is why I replied the way I did.  God is the only one sitting in judgment of you, not I or anyone else on this board.

[Dave Gray]

I'm making light of it, sure -- but there's a real question.

Are there certain things that get you in to hell, even if you're a good person in other ways.

I follow the rules of Christianity, other than the ones specifically tied to the religion -- belief, keeping the sabbath day holy, tithing, etc.

Does breaking the one of not believing in God get me a direct flight, regardless of the rest?  Yes or no?

[Dphins4me]

I'm making light of it, sure -- but there's a real question.

Are there certain things that get you in to hell, even if you're a good person in other ways.

I follow the rules of Christianity, other than the ones specifically tied to the religion -- belief, keeping the sabbath day holy, tithing, etc.

Does breaking the one of not believing in God get me a direct flight, regardless of the rest?  Yes or no?

  From my understanding there is only one sure way to go directly to hell & not pass go..  You have to make the decision that Jesus is your personal savior.  Everything else you posted is nothing either way.

Maybe this will help.  I'm not the best person to be answering this question.

Is Jesus your "personal" Savior? Many people view Christianity as attending church, performing rituals, not committing certain sins. That is not Christianity. True Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Accepting Jesus as your personal Savior means placing your own personal faith and trust in Him. No one is saved by the faith of others. No one is forgiven by doing certain deeds. The only way to be saved is to personally accept Jesus as your Savior, trusting His death as the payment for your sins, and His resurrection as your guarantee of eternal life (John 3:16). Is Jesus personally your Savior?

If you want to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, say the following words to God. Remember, saying this prayer or any other prayer will not save you. It is only trusting in Christ that can save you from sin. This prayer is simply a way to express to God your faith in Him and thank Him for providing for your salvation. "God, I know that I have sinned against you and deserve punishment. But Jesus Christ took the punishment that I deserve so that through faith in Him I could be forgiven. I receive your offer of forgiveness and place my trust in You for salvation. I accept Jesus as my personal Savior! Thank You for Your wonderful grace and forgiveness - the gift of eternal life! Amen!"

[Spider-Dan]

2. But objective morality exists.

I disagree.

You claim that this is a fact, not an opinion; please prove it.

[Fau Teixeira]

that's the protestant interpretation. the vast majority of christians aren't protestant.

[CF DolFan]

^^

If I die tomorrow, does that mean I'm going to hell?

I'm just curious.  I ask this a lot, but I can't seem to get an answer out anyone.

Yes.  You have two choices ... both free will. Either accept God or be your own god.  Hell is the eternal separation from God and is a choice one makes. It's not God's choice nor his fault.  He says if you look for Him you will find Him but unfortunately most will not look for fear of finding Him. I don't see how He can be any more fair than that with freedom of choice.

[MaineDolFan]

And I will concede in some cases, that faith does help things.  That's why I say NET negative.  I think that faith also causes much, much damage to our society and our world, moreso than it helps.

Fair enough!