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« on: March 16, 2009, 03:20:32 pm »

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f48fa8&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Patriots appear primed to make move for Peppers
Vic Carucci       By Vic Carucci  |  NFL.com
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The trade that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs appears to be only the first phase of some major wheeling and dealing by the New England Patriots this offseason.

The second phase, NFL sources say, is likely to involve a trade that would send Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers to the Patriots in exchange for the second-round pick (34th overall) they received from the Chiefs on Feb. 28.

According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.

Peppers, on whom the Panthers have placed a franchise tag that assures him of a one-year contract worth $16.68 million, would be converted to outside linebacker in New England's 3-4 defense.

The Patriots were already looking ahead to the possibility of acquiring Peppers when they shipped Cassel and Vrabel to Kansas City, NFL sources say, because they wanted to clear the salary-cap space necessary to sign Peppers to a new contract that would put him among the higher-paid defensive players in the league. After signing Cassel to a one-year, franchise-tag tender contract worth $14.65 million, the Pats had nearly $30 million in cap money devoted to two quarterbacks (including $14.62 million for Tom Brady).

Once they were convinced Brady would be fully recovered from the season-ending knee injury he suffered last year, they were comfortable with trading his replacement to the Chiefs and putting the wheels in motion to bolster a defense that has gotten particularly old at linebacker. Vrabel and fellow linebacker Tedy Bruschi are well into the twilight of their respective careers.

NFL sources say the Panthers would welcome the chance to unload Peppers for a second-rounder, even though it would be well below his market value because it would be less costly to sign a second-round pick than a first-rounder. The Panthers already have made some belt-tightening financial moves within their front office.

This, in part, could help answer the lingering question of why the Patriots were willing to take only a second-round pick for Cassel and Vrabel rather than possibly get a higher choice as part of three-way a deal involving the Denver Broncos, who were ready to give up Jay Cutler for Cassel. Without an additional second-round pick, the Patriots might not be able to pursue Peppers.

League sources also point out that the Panthers don't have a first-round choice after trading it to the Philadelphia Eagles and aren't scheduled to draft until 59th overall (near the bottom of the second round). The 34th spot would give them the second pick of the second round and a chance to land a player with a first-round rating who was pushed down to that spot for whatever reason.

Also, according to NFL sources, there is a third phase to the Patriots' offseason strategy. They would like to further beef up their linebacking corps by adding an inside linebacker in the draft. They are known to believe that USC's Rey Maualuga would be a great fit for their scheme, especially when paired with Jerod Mayo, their 2008 first-round pick who was the NFL's top defensive rookie. However, some early projections suggest it might be long shot for Maualuga to be available for the Patriots with the 23rd overall pick.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known for making excellent decisions when it comes to acquiring players, but at least one NFL player-personnel evaluator questions whether Peppers would be a good fit in New England.

"This is a guy who totally went on strike two years ago because he wasn't happy with his contract," said the player personnel source, who requested anonymity. "He's also very long (in the torso), which is not ideal for a 3-4 outside linebacker. And he can't drop into coverage. He's very stiff.

"But one of the things (the Patriots) are looking at is the fact that, in passing situations, they can have Peppers up front with (Richard) Seymour and (Jarvis) Green. That makes it easier for them to take (nose tackle Vince) Wilfork out of the game in (passing situations) and just play him on running downs."
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 03:21:48 pm »

This is scary for Dolphins fans.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 03:32:16 pm »

Ya, I know.  They would have a very scary front 7, but their secondary is still weak. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 03:49:24 pm »

The Pats are in salary cap hell, I don't see them being able to make this move.  I really don't.

Plus this smacks in the face of everything that they generally aren't - which is the "flashy FA" player in the market.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 09:23:31 am »

The Pats are in salary cap hell, I don't see them being able to make this move.  I really don't.

Plus this smacks in the face of everything that they generally aren't - which is the "flashy FA" player in the market.
The moment they traded for Randy Moss, the humble, no name, non-flashy attitude went out the window.
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 09:37:02 am »

Maybe we can get a Dolfan to take one for the Team and rear end him after a game........
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2009, 10:32:39 am »

The moment they traded for Randy Moss, the humble, no name, non-flashy attitude went out the window.

They gave up next to nothing for Moss and paid him squat his first year.  Randy earned his contract after that.  It's a little different.  Remember this as well - coming out of Oakland most of the league thought Randy was done / washed up. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2009, 03:21:35 pm »

Oh I know, but you must also remember this was the same offseason they brought in thug extraordinaire Adelius Thomas and head-stomper Brandon Merriweather.  Not exactly a shining beacon of role models on that team anymore, is it?
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 03:33:16 pm »

And have any of those guys been a problem? distraction? gotten into trouble?
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2009, 08:46:59 am »

And have any of those guys been a problem? distraction? gotten into trouble?

no they haven't.  let the haters hate.  New England could really benefit from having Peppers IF the guy is going to play on the d-line and not shift to linebacker like he's talking about.  His contract is built as a d-lineman, there isn't a player in this league worth the hit you take on the cap for a linebacker.  He won't have the same impact.  I want Peppers the speed rusher not Peppers the okay at best covering a tight end.  and Mayo is out of this world good.  the only question mark with the Pats this season is the secondary and they will address that in the draft.  it's going to be another long season in the AFC East for non Pats fans.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 08:50:41 am »

no they haven't.  let the haters hate.  New England could really benefit from having Peppers IF the guy is going to play on the d-line and not shift to linebacker like he's talking about.  His contract is built as a d-lineman, there isn't a player in this league worth the hit you take on the cap for a linebacker.  He won't have the same impact.  I want Peppers the speed rusher not Peppers the okay at best covering a tight end.  and Mayo is out of this world good.  the only question mark with the Pats this season is the secondary and they will address that in the draft.  it's going to be another long season in the AFC East for non Pats fans.

That's what I was thinking.  New England might not be a good fit for Peppers if they're going to put him at LB.  Even though he says he wants to play in a 3-4, he should stick with teams that run the 4-3.

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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2009, 08:51:20 am »

no they haven't.  let the haters hate.  New England could really benefit from having Peppers IF the guy is going to play on the d-line and not shift to linebacker like he's talking about.  His contract is built as a d-lineman, there isn't a player in this league worth the hit you take on the cap for a linebacker.  He won't have the same impact.  I want Peppers the speed rusher not Peppers the okay at best covering a tight end.  and Mayo is out of this world good.  the only question mark with the Pats this season is the secondary and they will address that in the draft.  it's going to be another long season in the AFC East for non Pats fans.

That's what Patsie fans thought last year.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2009, 08:56:50 am »

did you notice that new england went 11-5 last year?  with a backup QB that hadn't taken a snap since hs and defensive backs that couldn't cover me from getting to the coffee machine? 

11-5 as a patched together team with half of it's stars on IR.  that is reality.  we won't lose more than 3 games this season.  write it down.
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2009, 08:59:47 am »

did you notice that new england went 11-5 last year?  with a backup QB that hadn't taken a snap since hs and defensive backs that couldn't cover me from getting to the coffee machine? 

11-5 as a patched together team with half of it's stars on IR.  that is reality.  we won't lose more than 3 games this season.  write it down.

I'd have to agree there.  Plus you were on your 4th string RB.  Despite all that, they went 11-5 and missed the playoffs by some mathematical formula. 

If that isn't heart then tell me what is.
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2009, 09:02:07 am »

did you notice that new england went 11-5 last year?  with a backup QB that hadn't taken a snap since hs and defensive backs that couldn't cover me from getting to the coffee machine? 

11-5 as a patched together team with half of it's stars on IR.  that is reality.  we won't lose more than 3 games this season.  write it down.

Why should we trust you since you can't even get your facts straight. Cassell has indeed played since high school, he just didn't start.
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